Mmmm…I am a bit hesitant to contribute in this thread as I am not sure I have followed it since the beginning and I might be misunderstanding it entirely. What does come to me, however, is my experience of what intelligence usually refers to when the word is used. Some people are highly cognitively intelligent and maybe this is what most people mean when they say intelligence, if this is the case it leaves out many other - and potentially more comprehensive forms of intelligence, which is very problematic. When I am around someone that is spacious (this is the best way I can describe them ) it seems to me that genius can flow through them easily. Spaciousness seems to be the precursor for "right action in the moment”, a response that arises when we are in deep relation with the present. (From a space of relaxation and not had by our traumas). Intelligence, that to me is what blossoms a flower and turns the caterpillar into butterfly, is available in a multitude of ways to all humans that have internal space. Of course, judgement and other situations that might contract the body would compromise that natural flow and “block” the internal space. Having never done an IQ test I might again be very mistaken here in my assumption - as the only thing I have to count is a quick google search - but if what I saw is even remotely true IQ tests seem to only assess a very small portion of the mind and not remotely close to the mind that I am referring to. The concept of intelligence as “this thing” that looks, feels and speaks a certain way in not generous to all the incredible intelligence that I see around me. Warmly, Adriana > On 2 Aug 2021, at 09:55, Jamie D <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > Nicholas, regarding the following: > > “ …you should know that there are in fact a great deal of individuals who do innately possess lesser cognitive capacities or ability to functional make use of those capacities” > > This is quite obvious from the frame you’re coming from, and from which most people come from, to the point that most would find my claim laughably absurd, yet I said it anyway. > > Here is why: > > You’re examples of adhd, autism, ACE’s, etc….(I would claim, as having been diagnosed with these and more) are all seconday consequences of “fear of judgement”, or rather, a loss of adaptive function caused by “social evaluative threat”, or excessive behavioral inhibition caused by clinging. > > My theory of the rise of ADHD is the gradual change in parental culture - as our culture gets more comfortable, we fear death more and more (whatever that is, because by now I no longer know…aside from perhaps a loss of self esteem or potential action) …..and we bicker more and more about the judgement of others, which causes children to sink deeper into themselves, utterly (and rightlyj confused by such nonsense after entering this world from what I contend to be the “default” or “ordinary state” of consciousness, which is divine….and yes, that word isn’t nonsense. It means something both felt and physically measurable in human performance. > > Even in cases of direct mechanical or chemical damage to the brain, such events are almost entirely causally contingent upon social evaluative threat (and stress related behavior) that leads one to get into such problems. > > How could we be sure? > 1. Social evaluative threat is so widespread that to find case where it’s totally absent, to see if maladaptive behavior results (subjectively - based on the goals of the individual) could be difficult or impossible. (Yet even by my definition of intelligence based on subjective goals seems to prove my point….yet, subjective is NOT arbitrary. Reproductive fitness, health, control, and autonomy are all necessary, such that one would clearly be in denial to say they”re living according to their goals without them). > > 2. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 9:14 AM Michael Mascolo <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > Lee, Lee, Lee: > > I do resonate with your frustration, that’s for sure. > > And yes: we must take into account this type of data. I have no reason to discount the data. > > However….er….uh… How are you using the data? You are using it to say that anti-vexers are “flaunting their stupidity”. > > Again, I feel your frustration. While it may satisfying to say: “Anti-vaxers are stupid", I suggest that the way to use these data is to ask, “How do we communicate with people who have lower IQs about vaccinations?” > > In frustrated solidarity, > > M. > > > Michael F. 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Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. >> Ok, I’ll dare to throw some gasoline on this fire. :-) >> >> IMOH the anti-vaxxers are flaunting their stupidity. >> At least one study shows a correlation between low IQ and low vaccination rates. >> See https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nydailynews.com_news_national_ny-2Dstates-2Dlowest-2Dhighest-2Dvaccination-2Drates-2Diq-2Dscore-2Dcovid-2D20210524-2Dubkwdphohrabbi77vurazmwehe-2Dstory.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JTbGlyaG9J2OjhflDFo3DFhAbpvS3PqkLDefx9EsyPo&s=2NBysAsTtgAGc9fyHhGsd-rDGzPBlK97sY2RpUH3mc8&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nydailynews.com_news_national_ny-2Dstates-2Dlowest-2Dhighest-2Dvaccination-2Drates-2Diq-2Dscore-2Dcovid-2D20210524-2Dubkwdphohrabbi77vurazmwehe-2Dstory.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lIJIdgTzsS0pgDQjO9be1pripjR52D2PotMfkAzu6B4&s=yNhzokaQHpQaU7eAIvt-aaHJn7yrcgGRWRYd-rMVZ1c&e=> >> >> Far from conclusive, but also not a data point to be summarily dismissed. >> >> Lee Beaumont >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Nicholas Lattanzio <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. >>> Jamie, >>> >>> I feel like you would have some awareness of what in DBT is called radical acceptance and radical genuineness, these concepts (e.g., willingness v willfulness) may bring some additional clarity into the problematic nature of the resistance to truth that you speak of. >>> >>> Side note- while the studies on minority intelligence have yielded results that indeed are misinterpreted regularly (no matter how often corrected) to mean that lower iq's amongst minorities are due to some innate flaw of the minorities rather than the systemic strangling of Othered groups' access to resources and means, you should know that there are in fact a great deal of individuals who do innately possess lesser cognitive capacities or ability to functional make use of those capacities (i.e., some presentations autism; adhd; psychosis), and these are in turn mediated by environmental factors (e.g., ACE's) and access to resources that help to mitigate or overcome these decifits (e.g., Head Start) which are also heavily skewed against minorities in terms of quality and quantity. Of course minority groups are more likely to be predisposed to these biological vulnerabilities primarily on the basis of SES as well (lead exposure in utero or early in life is a leading teratogen that causes significant cognitive and developmental issues that disproportionately effects minorities). >>> >>> For many, to face the truth breeds a great deal of dissonance because it makes readily apparent the need for change, and it is the kind of change necessary almost certainly results in at least initially more "tedious" lifestyles and embracing the suffering of oneself and others, which has been delayed for centuries for many in higher positions. They are in preservation and conservation oriented manners of being in the world more than anything else (generally speaking of course). >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 12:24 AM Jamie D <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. >>> The one and only cause of stupidity, that counts, is fear of judgment. >>> Intelligence can also be described as good judgement. >>> >>> Ergo, the cause of stupidity is fear of intelligence, also ‘aversion of intelligence’. Simple. The cause of stupidity is aversion of intelligence, not some innate lack. >>> >>> If minorities appear to falter in IQ tests, it’s surely due to their identity being threatened - the demon in their head whispering discouragement as they take the test. >>> >>> This stress that’s involved with aversion of good judgement is also the primary cause of nearly all mental disorders and diseases. >>> >>> I’m shocked to find people get scared by the suggestion that carbs cause obesity more than fat, because if they’re scared enough by that to shun me, then such people would be driven into madness to learn much of anything I know to be wrong with our culture. >>> >>> The motives in academia and healthcare (being right, and needing another to be wrong) are stacked against this fact, and the cost is too shocking to admit. >>> >>> Fear of others judgement is the only cause that we might falter in trusting our own judgement, which is ordinarily flawless. >>> >>> When we can sense others might throw a hissy-fit if we are truthful, we might begin, little by little, participating in creating a reality in which the truth is unsafe, ourselves participating in that we despise…and often without noticing it until we can’t handle the truth ourselves. >>> >>> I’m reading the book, ‘Before Happiness’, which has the best advice on dealing with this frustration. 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