I've yet to find the words to say or thoughts to think to be sure these resented tree-names are cut down...but my guess is that when they are cut down, the hostage-holding checker will go with it, because checking seems to be a part of the cycle of bringing the egoic bloodsport back.. I typically just remain still, and trust presence to eventually wash it away, but my momentum as a scientist ....says to be quiet. On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 5:57 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Excellent reflections, Jamie. I am traveling, but wanted to say that. > > Best, > Gregg > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:25 AM, Jamie D <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------ > More difficult is how one reconciles all this with justice. > > Atoms and genes are words that correspond with their reference ‘point’ in > the system that corresponds with worldly experience. > > Set theory is a means of making the (imagined) world ‘one’ …as in ‘one set > of clothes’ > > But how about names of people? > > I’ve had years of momentum in resentments towards specific words, which I > now realize as having neurolinguistically programmed myself … and my guess > is that these ‘programs’ are ontological trees of mistaken judgements that > can be cut down….*zip-it *(comes to mind at the end) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 5:33 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Thanks for these thoughts. I am traveling currently, so I will be brief. >> >> First, the idea of generating robot overlords does not sound like the >> wisest possible course of action to me. I also am quite skeptical of that. >> >> The UTOK strongly suggests that what we are looking at is a merger of the >> Culture Person plane with the emergence of a >> Digital-Virtual-Social-Technological interface. That is, the new phase will >> be much more about human-Digital cyborgs and fusions across multiple >> landscapes. >> >> This will be a time of incredible change. Moreover, the strong conclusion >> from the metacrisis is that more technological-instrumental power without >> wisdom in understanding humanity, nature and our place in the cosmos is >> very likely going to accelerate the Titanic toward the iceberg. It is clear >> that digital tech will continue to evolve, as that is the nature of >> complexification and human drives for more power and efficiency. The key, >> IMO, is whether we can actually wake up and consciously evolve toward >> cultivating wisdom energy rather than instrumental power. >> >> Best, >> Gregg >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. >> Professor >> Director, C-I Doc Program >> Department of Graduate Psychology >> 216 Johnston Hall >> MSC 7401 >> James Madison University >> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >> (540) 568-7857 (phone) >> (540) 568-4747 (fax) >> >> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* >> >> >> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RlkCOTkkHn67wP6vB8u6qL9kPEWvdkroUwZmOfbrlzE&s=BhUyMVSavhnNJQ5XmCVwoY3mJoRqMPq24YSHy06X9eE&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_5uGl5ECFK7trTfKi7uuXV3DW1l1O4QnOAtIEMXQ2mw&s=HrNzu0xnHnVLQQhFQdwrtu6TrcfQJsvMe5kk24OkvwA&e=> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Gien Wong < >> [log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2021 11:45 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:* Re: TOK This article seems to point to a confusion of >> interlevel causation >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> That almost sounds like human-designed, machine eugenics where machines >> that we have taught make predictions of optimal human behavior and the >> genes that lead to those behaviors. Yet humans have demonstrated time and >> time again that our limited knowledge of the universe consistently results >> in unintended consequences, progress traps. And as we increase the >> firepower of our technological prowess, we also increase the impact of our >> progress traps (witness climate change induced by burning fossil fuels - an >> unintended consequence of internal combustion engines). If AI is predicated >> on models of imperfect human intelligence, they will naturally inherit all >> our cognitive limitations. The wisdom of giving AI too much control when >> their machine intelligence is predicated on imperfect human knowledge is >> not a comforting thought. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:44 PM James Lyons-Weiler < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> Well put, Gregg. >> >> What does TOK say about future SuperAI - generated concepts and methods >> that lead to genetic manipulation of humans? >> >> In my analysis, since SuperAI is ultimately our creation, it might appear >> to be endogenous. >> >> However, once is starts autonomously developing rules, laws, concepts, >> languages, and imposing those construct on humanity, or rewriting our >> genetics >> to make us fit its needs, from the perspective of the integrity of our >> species, it becomes >> and exogenous force (threat). >> >> And if we join a Super-AI as Musk suggests, the schism in humanity will >> pale >> in comparison to any in the past. >> >> The reality of other, non-human intelligence should but fit into U-ToK if >> it can be. >> >> Do the UToK descriptors "justifications" fit into an entire SuperAI >> -generated conceptual framework? >> >> Or is UToK relevant to human consciousness alone? >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 6:12 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi James, >> >> Thanks. I agree with you fully about interlevel causation. This is >> something UTOK tries to help folks get clear about. Indeed, in the UTOK’s >> taxonomy of science given by the ToK into Periodic Table of >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_unified-2Dtheory-2Dof-2Dknowledge_the-2D12-2Dfloors-2Dof-2Dscience-2D9c2c485df315&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=68GqiqnVNKPwczaRV5phJnJyi4UrlhmfT2PIAftbnLE&s=T8sXWoeJvuUnVNWWr0XHMw0uCeN4B17HgNw2JF1gP20&e=> >> Behavior >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_unified-2Dtheory-2Dof-2Dknowledge_the-2D12-2Dfloors-2Dof-2Dscience-2D9c2c485df315&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=68GqiqnVNKPwczaRV5phJnJyi4UrlhmfT2PIAftbnLE&s=T8sXWoeJvuUnVNWWr0XHMw0uCeN4B17HgNw2JF1gP20&e=> >> (attached), your analogy is good, but not quite what UTOK gives. Rather, it >> is cells (floor 5) that are Life’s equivalent of atoms (floor 2) at the >> Matter level. The reason is that both cells and atoms are primary units of >> organization. Genes are the fundamental “digits of biological information” >> and correspond to Floor 4, and are akin to subatomic particles (floor 1). >> >> >> >> Not sure if you saw that Lee B. posted this article earlier. My reply was: >> >> >> >> *“If anyone believes either that “genetics determines all/there are >> one-to-one gene-behavior relations” OR that “genetics have nothing to do >> with our talents, dispositions, or proclivities,” then they simply are not >> educated in the science of (mental) behavior.”* >> >> >> >> Both atoms and genes are justifications/constructions, so long as that is >> the referent point we mean in the semiotic triangle (i.e., our human >> constructions versus the referent). Of course, they are also both >> scientific ontological concepts that refer to things in the ontic reality >> (i.e., they are not *just* justifications/constructions, which is what >> something like a fictitious novel is). >> >> >> >> I fully agree with you about knowledge helping us to depolarize society, >> I welcome any opportunity to help people start on a journey of awakening to >> the truth. Moralizing about genetics, either as entities that determine >> human behavior or as inevitably dangerous concepts that lead us to Nazism >> are not pathways to the truth. >> >> >> Best, >> Gregg >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *James Gien Wong >> *Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2021 4:48 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* This article seems to point to a confusion of interlevel >> causation >> >> >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> >> Obviously a very touchy subject... >> >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.newyorker.com_magazine_2021_09_13_can-2Dprogressives-2Dbe-2Dconvinced-2Dthat-2Dgenetics-2Dmatters_amp-3Ffbclid-3DIwAR1qqy381NHVB-2DY1Tpexr0tKjLHktn-2DGATmvTOKW88MAXCU5Y7bTI8KMyxo&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RlkCOTkkHn67wP6vB8u6qL9kPEWvdkroUwZmOfbrlzE&s=ssSWJ0-a6Dfsf7n7RktqajCaiZIiRARogCOj-JLMgOc&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.newyorker.com_magazine_2021_09_13_can-2Dprogressives-2Dbe-2Dconvinced-2Dthat-2Dgenetics-2Dmatters_amp-3Ffbclid-3DIwAR1qqy381NHVB-2DY1Tpexr0tKjLHktn-2DGATmvTOKW88MAXCU5Y7bTI8KMyxo&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=uoJ3BDErbFc-Rl-kStOpfwFglWLuGVx9pX6yPoM3uLc&s=vp_NlzLtB_z6ws3pp5FfWkzoos8cjsUq0Mn1FlBARn8&e=> >> >> >> >> The thought that occurred to me, from this forum’s perspective is that >> genes are the biological equivalent of atoms for the physical universe - >> genes are the reductionist atoms for the biological universe. Just as it is >> quite difficult to generalize causality arguments of quantum effects >> observed at subatomic scales to ones at human/ macroscopic scale, it is >> difficult to generalize observations at the bio-molecular level to the >> human psychological level. >> >> >> >> Perhaps a ToK framing of the problem can enlighten both polarized sides >> of this contentious argument? >> >> >> >> Both atoms and genes are the result of constructed, scientific human >> narratives. It seems to me that the psychological unpacking of how we >> humans construct stories is critical for our collective survival at this >> time. From climate change to vaccines to behavior genetics, it’s our >> constructed and divergent storytelling that lay at the center of the storm. >> A deep understanding of how we emerge and use language to construct our >> stories seems highly salient to depolarizing society. >> >> -- >> >> Wishing you WELLth >> >> Gien >> >> Future Ancestor >> >> >> >> Pull a thread here and you’ll find it’s attached to the rest of the >> world. - Nadeem Aslam >> >> >> >> www.stopresetgo.org >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.stopresetgo.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=uoJ3BDErbFc-Rl-kStOpfwFglWLuGVx9pX6yPoM3uLc&s=e3gUspWg-dOstCHEqiEFOBGrFwMJtMEadNjykRz6cg0&e=> >> >> 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