Yeah we should definitely discuss this at some point. I welcome input from others as well. I figure there is content that I could add from certain sources, including from your conversation with Jordan Hall, which got into different levels of evolutionary dynamics. My primary motive for doing this is to properly frame the social sciences so that we can better understand how to bring about positive socio-cultural change. I can see how this can be framed in a way that is similar and parallel to the way you addressed the problem of psychology and your unified approach to psychotherapy.
When I was putting together this matrix, this helped me better understand Zak Stein’s thesis that intergenerational transfer of knowledge is essential to our civilization. For the other planes of existence, we don’t necessarily have to do anything for information to be transferred from one generation to the next. Genes automatically replicate and that is just how the biosphere works, and also this is kind of how the zoosphere works. But within the noophsere (the culture/person plane), information is lost unless we teach the next generations. We have to actually structure our society in a way that will maintain that. Also, we have the ability to weed out social pathologies (harmful social memes) through teaching as well.
Brandon Norgaard
Founder, The Enlightened Worldview Project
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Many thanks for this. I am away, but would welcome a chance to discuss at some point. My current book spends a fair amount of time exploring how many systems overlook the Mind/zoosphere, and, of course, virtually EVERYONE overlooks the problem of psychology. Of course, the two are connected, because you need the Mind dimension in Big History to generate the proper ontological relation between behavior and mental processes.
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Some of us have recently been having a weekly book club on Ken Wilber’s Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. In our latest SESsion, I gave a presentation that compared Wilber’s tripartite conception of big history (which includes the physiosphere, biosphere, and noosphere) with Gregg’s TOK and the related periodic table of behavior, in which 4 planes of existence are recognized. I argue that we should recognize the difference between the biosphere and the zoosphere. Wilber conflates these (on this he borrowed from the earlier work of Teilard de Chardin). Here’s the video:
Also here is the matrix document that starts with Gregg’s PTB and adds some content from other sources, including what I learned listening to the “Conscious Evolution” podcast series.
(feel free to add comments to the doc)
What do you guys think of this?
Brandon Norgaard
Founder, The Enlightened Worldview Project
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