I’m curious to see if Gregg has anything to say about the justification “I”…merely “I” *Or to keep it simple, how do the various pronouns add up within the soul?* *The rest might be too crazy for some.* *……..* Since the memes, egos, justifications, etc…are words, used to build the individual’s ontology within the subjective relativity timeframe whereby the person engenders experience….investing “I-thoughts” (‘I am’ the prize) …and if Either/or…described (I think) by Kierkegaard and others as (my interpretation) ..the *world-line* ToK of *good and evil….corresponding *with the troubling paradox of *free* *choice and destiny (that must be mere bloodsport) …both our collective and my personal bondage to the delusion of evil … evil or death I’m regarding as merely family.* *Also, ‘forgive them for they know not what they do’ is either absurd, since His killers obviously had eyes to see they were killing a man …or it means something more banal, regarding the relative Word (frame) and choice attention paid….and engendering experience IS birth AND death.* *(thankfully Greggs’ ToK is merely knowledge … or a tool, nothing more, nothing less) * *“For whom is there inside or outside? There can be, only so long as there are other(ed) subject, and the (sense - world) object (relative to desire). For whom are these two again? Both resolve into the subject. See who is in the subject” * *- Ramana Maharshi* *(The implications of this expression are ….I can’t even say….it seems to reconcile* *the either/or problem without choosing ignorance nor to attain a burden of knowledge)* *That the body (sense object) is not apart from the subject is knowledge (what knowledge is).* *Every ‘thing’ known itself must also be ignorance of what could be known in its place ….of the sense object….the person.* -- -Jamie ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1