This is very cool! It makes me wonder about these mathematical concepts. Outside of that, a generalizable and comprehensible organizing frame would make it easier to behave adaptively, thus energy and behavior activating and engaging a human-knower "overlay" of the energy flow being conceptualized by self and and potentially third-party others as "wise" behavior. -Chance On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 6:47 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Nice follow here, Chance. > > > > To roll this concept a little further along, I was listening to this Sean > Carroll podcast giving > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.edwardslingerland.com_talks-2Dinterviews_test-2Dtitle-2Dtest-2D7ldt5-2Ddn8sc-2Dpkdbw&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xBrW4kI8fvPGmg8unsEW75nOFRgEbxYlKioK-kqf2t4&s=VdJBQeFRb4ZnIqSluzwSs0cs9tJuurHJF8dZp894WoI&e= > > aa overview of “wu wei,” which is the Chinese concept of “effortless > action,” which I found lining up very nicely with both BIT and how I > arrived at and experienced the concept of “wisdom energy” last year, which > was represented by flipping the coin from data to wisdom… > > This was when I placed the coin in the Riemann Sphere > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Riemann-5Fsphere&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xBrW4kI8fvPGmg8unsEW75nOFRgEbxYlKioK-kqf2t4&s=3Y4nb6wWhT5K5KOY3ul5yXBoSm7xNvKBVp_my9XsM2s&e= >, which allowed it to align > even better with the ToK System, and the Garden. The reason was that the > added dimension could be interpreted as both the “real > potential-into-kinetic energy” on the x axis that stretched from the Big > Bang (absolute largest) to the quantum present of action (absolute > smallest) and stretched on the vertical “imaginal” y-axis that ranged from > the quantum digit of measured behavior (smallest digit of information) up > to the Elephant Sun God (the imaginal absolute). > > > > The rotating vacillation between the two gave me the “Energy by Wisdom” > alignment with, well, essentially no effort. > > And, I thought that was cool. > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Chance McDermott > *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:39 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Blog on Social Influence and Relational Value > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Hi all, > > > > Higher relational value for less effort also fits with behavioral > investment theory (BIT). It is a reinforcing formula in "authentic" social > interactions when both parties are spending less energy filtering their > expressed communication and spending less time decoding the filtered > messages of others. Depending on the justification dynamics in play, > long-term effects and habituations will vary. > > > > -Chance > > > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 9:28 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Right. And, to fully understand this, at least from a UTOK perspective, we > need to add Justification Systems Theory > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_8-2Dkey-2Dideas_justification-2Dsystems-2Dtheory&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=zb_rB6lnTIpH7HvErKOhS75L33OtPUfpfAN2uCOC64g&s=HxtFBzrF8A7n1kfvWemv6V03JheOdiGDPXIbbPjfkkg&e=> > and the Culture Person plane of existence. > > > > This is needed to understand “counter cultural” trends, that attempt to > buck or invert the conventional justification narrative, which is often how > “that is bad” becomes cool. > > > > G > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alex Ebert > *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2021 10:22 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Blog on Social Influence and Relational Value > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Nice, > > Got it. > > > > To press a touch further - I think “sadness/depression” can find their way > to *high* relational value as such. > > > > Where low relational value *itself* is perceived as high relational value > by the group in antilogy, which inversion of value then reinforces low > relational behavior *as* independence. > > > > The self immolative act of taking one’s power back through suicidal > behavior, for instance, *is*, as you point out, an act of independence - > but it is also genuinely depressive. > > > > So if this info graphic were a sphere (obviously impossible here), perhaps > we may be able to trace around the backside of sadness and up to high > relational value. > > > > Interesting stuff! > > > > Ebert > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Alex. > > > > I agree. The basic interpretation for this comes from the Influence > Matrix’s green line, which is the autonomy dependency axis and can be > framed most basically as *freedom from influence*. (the article only > focused on explicating the dynamics of the black line) Those who are free > from the influence of the crowd signal an inner strength and creative > capacity that can be very alluring, if done in a, well, cool way. > > <image001.png> > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alex Ebert > *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:25 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Blog on Social Influence and Relational Value > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Dear all, > > > > Briefly, something to add from my studies of cool, is that Social > affluence can be effectuated vis-à-vis presentations of something that > might look like an inverted variation of the infograph that Gregg presents > in the article. Cool allows for antilogy (upside down crosses and face > tattoos, etc., heroin chic - even depression and unhappiness itself, etc) > and contranyms (bad, sick, gnarly, based, wicked and nasty etc all mean > some variation of “excellent!”) to drive up one’s social status. > > > > The affect is “whoa that person doesn’t give a fuck - how *cool*!” > > > > Through mimetic desire, these become viral affectations. For those of you > growing up in the 90s, think of all of the shoe gazing Kurt Cobain kids > posturing heroin or today, all of the emo rap kids posturing pills. > > > > Externalizations of happiness, for instance can *lower* status and > influence - while antipathy can raise it. > > > > You likely see this even in your own professional lives – over-using > exclamation marks being the most famous example of ruining one’s esteem. > > > > Hi!!! > > > > Yet what if you really are excited to talk to someone? You suppress the > punctuation so as to not lose esteem? How is that integrity? > > > > Of course, these suppressive status affectations end up affecting the > spirit of the poser - we become what we pretend to be. > > > > All the best! > > > > Ebert > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 14, 2021, at 6:33 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Ali. > > > > Here is one issue with social media. Can one *really* be known and valued > via Instagram or TiK Tok? I doubt it. Think about how different that kind > of relationship is from oral indigenous relationships (i.e., real, face to > face, back and forth dialogue and participation in activities together in > the world). Instead, what is actually going on is one way broadcasting that > is regulated by social influence markers, such as likes or clicks or > watches and general comments. Thus, social media itself is the wrong kind > of forum for the known and valued processes we are structured for. > > > > I will say that I think zoom is qualitatively better. Although you are not > with the person, you can have real, authentic relationships on zoom. I have > never met John Vervaeke or Mike Mascolo in person, but I believe I have an > authentic relationships with both of them, and many, many other people. So, > the short answer is definitely yes, you can seek to be known and valued by > a less than ideal group which will have consequences, but more to the > point, the structure of the way we have developed our kids relationships is > potentially disastrous. > > > > Best, > > Gregg > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alexis Kenny > *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2021 6:28 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Blog on Social Influence and Relational Value > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Gregg, > > > > This is a great piece! Thanks for sharing! > > > > In reading the last paragraph of your blog, I wondered...what happens when > people don't look for being known and valued by the "right" people? For > example, if teens are preoccupied with broad social acceptance (likely via > a virtual / nebulous community (clearly making an assumption here)), is > their pursuit of being known and valued doomed from the get-go? > > > > As a follow-up question...even if these teens thought they were known and > valued by this group (through likes, followers, etc.) would this sense of > acceptance satisfy their core needs at any meaningful, sustainable level? > > > > Would welcome your (or anyone else's) responses! > > > > Thanks for the food for thought, > > > > Ali > > > > El vie, 12 de nov. de 2021 a la(s) 11:44, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx ( > [log in to unmask]) escribió: > > Hi Folks, > > I put this up today. FWIW, I have found that the difference between > social influence and relational value is likely one of the keys to > effecting a wise cultural shift. It has come up in many conversations and > was salient in my exchange last with Forrest Landry, which prompted me to > put this out there: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202111_social-2Dinfluence-2Dversus-2Drelational-2Dvalue&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xBrW4kI8fvPGmg8unsEW75nOFRgEbxYlKioK-kqf2t4&s=sKdotBArhAu2Bhbm-bb2bMJuoF7Mfc6Esnp2nTmmOfo&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202111_social-2Dinfluence-2Dversus-2Drelational-2Dvalue&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=27aZqxKMZwM-Xsv5aMH_fB3ev1u3om9Vf4toENRUKPk&s=zK2NcVEjGFKLifx-Ft-BDyP6c7-Sa7_giWN6w40v_A4&e=> > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. > Professor > Department of Graduate Psychology > 216 Johnston Hall > MSC 7401 > James Madison University > Harrisonburg, VA 22807 > (540) 568-7857 (phone) > (540) 568-4747 (fax) > > > *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* > > Check out the Unified Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xBrW4kI8fvPGmg8unsEW75nOFRgEbxYlKioK-kqf2t4&s=KueSxWl4mZGpxOg2u9TuwYzjT-n6gERiauII9Wd2t8o&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=27aZqxKMZwM-Xsv5aMH_fB3ev1u3om9Vf4toENRUKPk&s=dS51aR2zlbKiAUO-hHPJBOGmEt0PV2MziV65kUkmBYw&e=> > > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > > > > -- > > *Alexis (Ali) Kenny*, PsyD, LP > > Staff Psychologist > > *LeaderWise > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.leaderwise.org_ali-2Dkenny&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=27aZqxKMZwM-Xsv5aMH_fB3ev1u3om9Vf4toENRUKPk&s=SMz5tDLVMOehKai31oeot9dSaOo6HNulHN52opbVwT4&e=>* > > email: [log in to unmask] > > phone: 406.540.3411 > > site: alexisckenny.wix.com/marriedinmission > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__alexisckenny.wix.com_marriedinmission&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=27aZqxKMZwM-Xsv5aMH_fB3ev1u3om9Vf4toENRUKPk&s=oh73cyHyIGak7oXJ1lgq37MsB3Y5h24HRsM3SK9F0FY&e=> > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1