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To roll this concept a little further along, I was listening to this Sean Carroll podcast giving aa overview of “wu wei,” which is the Chinese concept of “effortless action,” which I found lining up very nicely with both BIT and how I arrived at and experienced the concept of “wisdom energy” last year, which was represented by flipping the coin from data to wisdom…
This was when I placed the coin in the Riemann Sphere, which allowed it to align even better with the ToK System, and the Garden. The reason was that the added dimension could be interpreted as both the “real potential-into-kinetic energy” on the x axis that stretched from the Big Bang (absolute largest) to the quantum present of action (absolute smallest) and stretched on the vertical “imaginal” y-axis that ranged from the quantum digit of measured behavior (smallest digit of information) up to the Elephant Sun God (the imaginal absolute).
The rotating vacillation between the two gave me the “Energy by Wisdom” alignment with, well, essentially no effort.
And, I thought that was cool.
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Gregg
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Hi all,
Higher relational value for less effort also fits with behavioral investment theory (BIT). It is a reinforcing formula in "authentic" social interactions when both parties are spending less energy filtering their expressed communication and spending less time decoding the filtered messages of others. Depending on the justification dynamics in play, long-term effects and habituations will vary.
-Chance
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Right. And, to fully understand this, at least from a UTOK perspective, we need to add Justification Systems Theory and the Culture Person plane of existence.
This is needed to understand “counter cultural” trends, that attempt to buck or invert the conventional justification narrative, which is often how “that is bad” becomes cool.
G
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Nice,
Got it.
To press a touch further - I think “sadness/depression” can find their way to high relational value as such.
Where low relational value itself is perceived as high relational value by the group in antilogy, which inversion of value then reinforces low relational behavior as independence.
The self immolative act of taking one’s power back through suicidal behavior, for instance, is, as you point out, an act of independence - but it is also genuinely depressive.
So if this info graphic were a sphere (obviously impossible here), perhaps we may be able to trace around the backside of sadness and up to high relational value.
Interesting stuff!
Ebert
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Thanks, Alex.
I agree. The basic interpretation for this comes from the Influence Matrix’s green line, which is the autonomy dependency axis and can be framed most basically as freedom from influence. (the article only focused on explicating the dynamics of the black line) Those who are free from the influence of the crowd signal an inner strength and creative capacity that can be very alluring, if done in a, well, cool way.
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Best,
Gregg
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Dear all,
Briefly, something to add from my studies of cool, is that Social affluence can be effectuated vis-à-vis presentations of something that might look like an inverted variation of the infograph that Gregg presents in the article. Cool allows for antilogy (upside down crosses and face tattoos, etc., heroin chic - even depression and unhappiness itself, etc) and contranyms (bad, sick, gnarly, based, wicked and nasty etc all mean some variation of “excellent!”) to drive up one’s social status.
The affect is “whoa that person doesn’t give a fuck - how cool!”
Through mimetic desire, these become viral affectations. For those of you growing up in the 90s, think of all of the shoe gazing Kurt Cobain kids posturing heroin or today, all of the emo rap kids posturing pills.
Externalizations of happiness, for instance can lower status and influence - while antipathy can raise it.
You likely see this even in your own professional lives – over-using exclamation marks being the most famous example of ruining one’s esteem.
Hi!!!
Yet what if you really are excited to talk to someone? You suppress the punctuation so as to not lose esteem? How is that integrity?
Of course, these suppressive status affectations end up affecting the spirit of the poser - we become what we pretend to be.
All the best!
Ebert
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Thanks, Ali.
Here is one issue with social media. Can one really be known and valued via Instagram or TiK Tok? I doubt it. Think about how different that kind of relationship is from oral indigenous relationships (i.e., real, face to face, back and forth dialogue and participation in activities together in the world). Instead, what is actually going on is one way broadcasting that is regulated by social influence markers, such as likes or clicks or watches and general comments. Thus, social media itself is the wrong kind of forum for the known and valued processes we are structured for.
I will say that I think zoom is qualitatively better. Although you are not with the person, you can have real, authentic relationships on zoom. I have never met John Vervaeke or Mike Mascolo in person, but I believe I have an authentic relationships with both of them, and many, many other people. So, the short answer is definitely yes, you can seek to be known and valued by a less than ideal group which will have consequences, but more to the point, the structure of the way we have developed our kids relationships is potentially disastrous.
Best,
Gregg
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Gregg,
This is a great piece! Thanks for sharing!
In reading the last paragraph of your blog, I wondered...what happens when people don't look for being known and valued by the "right" people? For example, if teens are preoccupied with broad social acceptance (likely via a virtual / nebulous community (clearly making an assumption here)), is their pursuit of being known and valued doomed from the get-go?
As a follow-up question...even if these teens thought they were known and valued by this group (through likes, followers, etc.) would this sense of acceptance satisfy their core needs at any meaningful, sustainable level?
Would welcome your (or anyone else's) responses!
Thanks for the food for thought,
Ali
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Hi Folks,
I put this up today. FWIW, I have found that the difference between social influence and relational value is likely one of the keys to effecting a wise cultural shift. It has come up in many conversations and was salient in my exchange last with Forrest Landry, which prompted me to put this out there:
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