Brandon, I tried to convince Marshall Aen join me in seasoning a metaplatform for integral such several years ago. He said it was was great idea but years off from his ability or his knowledge of anyone else who would be able to keep up with such a concept I have since met multiple people who all proposed metaplatforms for this social space including Marcus Gabler. I even am talking to a Bhutanese entrepreneur who thinks he has all practical solution for global integration of sustainability and cultural progress called Global village Connections. But oooe everyone else his ideas are either too pure and elaborate and half baked or else too narrow and eccentric and assuming dome magic angel investors for all the real work for him We actually have several people who have the personal qualities to lead such organizations which includes Jordan hall Daniel schmoachtenberger and myself.... However I'm beginning to think that NONE OF THE ABOVE have the vision because there's too much disagrement on what people are actually looking for. Pretty much everyone can equally complain about the world as it is but when pressed to actually change it they all are going in a 1000 different directions and not collaborating effectively This is why every once in a while some powerful entity that's good at organization tells all of these various cats that they need to start behaving like dogs. And as soon as you try to change cats and dogs most of the cats wander off. And then your left with the age old problem of prometheans versus mercurians. The prometheans come up with the ideas but they're absolutely useless in terms of execution. Mercurians are wonderful of execution but they have to pretty much radically dilute the meaning originality originality and ambition of the projects. It's an angel's story and it's a big part of all of my work I published a paper on it and one of my dissertation papers was on this topic.... Good luck to us all Until the cats can be dogs, they can't create sustainable social relationships. As I keep saying I have a very fond opinion of all of the people and all of the early ideas across these social spaces but I have found 0 solutions that I can say: Hey this looks like something that deserves to be scaled up massively AND will make sense to the mainstream of society. Robert On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, 2:36 AM Brandon Norgaard < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Gregg asked about this during our Emerge Gathering debrief meeting but I > didn’t have time to give a full response. There are quite a number of > organizations, cooperatives, websites, email lists, Mighty Networks, > Discords that are adjacent or somehow sympathetic. One common thread is > the recognition of the meta-crisis, or some aspect of it (political, > economic, public health, educational, environmental, socio-cultural, and > meaning). Layman Pascal envisions a Venn-diagram with 3 partially > overlapping circles for the most important intellectual movements: > Integral, Metamodern, and GameB. Some people and organizations might fall > within one or two of these, and some all three. > > > > Last summer, a few of us got together to try to figure out how we might > leverage technology to understand what people and what organizations have > what values, approaches, theories, and goals and what other people and > organizations might be able to partner with them to reach those goals. Who > is doing what? How do we categorize this? Who is potentially connected to > whom? How good of a job is each organization doing toward their stated > goals? > > > > I figured we could have a website and app that would provide this > information in the form of lists and tables and Venn-diagrams created on > the fly. Lene suggested a directory that people would have to pay a small > fee periodically in order to keep their information searchable. I agreed > that would at least answer the question of how to begin to pay for such a > system, I also figured it would be more robust and useable if it would > automatically and pro-actively mine this data from a variety of sources. > Kåre Wangel and I took this concept to Jim Rutt back in August and he said > it would possibly be interesting to consider within his “Big Change > Coalition”. Kåre and I were hoping for an opportunity to present this idea > to Rutt’s group (which I think includes the heavy hitters Gregg > mentioned). We haven’t got a response from him yet. We’re both too busy > to work on it ourselves, but we wanted to give the idea for others to run > with it and see what they come up with. > > > > As a start, Marcus Gabler put together this website and has a directory of > many of the organizations > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mille-2Dplateaux.com_sensemaking-2Dphilosophy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=6N6OWDrr-DzxlKSw7CWMSjYYIFzhnRXVGM4x44mdQ6w&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mille-2Dplateaux.com_sensemaking-2Dphilosophy&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=jGM8GuM333UPtUztylI7TlmYaE_LWUtjIbukfk4IWaE&e=> > although it is not interactive nor queryable and has limited entries right > now. Layman also had a map he showed during his appearances on RW and The > Stoa that offered a few examples of organizations and intellectual > movements adjacent to Integral Theory https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_k6uUAS0wCCo-3Ft-3D1932&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=lhbiNVvQy_lhFpZi7vl9jRfmYejw0HjzIS-ymWkYDZM&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_k6uUAS0wCCo-3Ft-3D1932&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=Jtebrd9-uK8qyKgBjIN0HPpS9ctuDckCRWLTZ_6hs-U&e=> > > > > I’m not sold on this term “Rebel Alliance”. It sounds a bit Star Warsy, > but this greater movement is likely to have different names that appeal to > different people. > > > > Brandon > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx > *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:36 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Some Fun/Interesting Conversations > > > > Thanks, Andrew. > > > > I completely agree with you that we need this. The topic came up at some > point and I recall folks mentioning that some people may have worked on > this, but I did not follow up at the time and now the reference escapes me. > If others know of this kind of thing, please share. > > > > When I built the UTOK website back in the summer of last year, I put up > this page on related perspectives, which could be a start, but clearly is > missing many possible pieces: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_content_related-2Dperspectives&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=D9eZKdQOoL6E8wUiTEGNWFDTqFba5p6A1kc2qjTjesg&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_content_related-2Dperspectives&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=NFpDRfZIfUV5E2Z6vxB4JqEUg_xZIZyNJngy3OcxCdY&e=> > > > > Best, > > G > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Robinson > *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Some Fun/Interesting Conversations > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Hey Gregg, > > > > Thanks for sending this. Does anyone know if someone has put together a > “map of the Rebel Alliance” with key contributors and their specialties as > well as resource links for websites/podcasts/ etc.? It would be great for > newcomers that may have been behind a discourse boundary to see the various > communities instead of having to slowly discover them one by one. > > > > *Andrew Robinson*** > > *Partner* > > PMP, CCNA, PMI‑ACP > > Invision Technologies, LLC > > t: *229.446.2004* <229.446.2004> > > | > > e: *[log in to unmask]* <[log in to unmask]> > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx > *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:42 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* TOK Some Fun/Interesting Conversations > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Last week I had a ton of interesting conversations. I had the good > fortune to connect with both Bonnitta Roy and Forrest Landry. Both are > “heavy hitters” when it comes to this Metamodern/Game B/IDW/UTOK/Stoa/Rebel > Wisdom/Integral world. From my vantage point, I felt able to readily “sync > up” with both Bonnitta and Forrest and I am looking forward to continued > conversations with them both. I also spoke with Michel Bauwens from the P2P > Foundation, which will be coming out on Monday, and had a great > conversation with Layman Pascal on UTOK’s frame for psychopathology, which > will be released soon. > > > > I also hooked up with Jordan Hall, here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4oqxuac-5FzXY&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=T8P62D4PyRD0nViHbLv87xQh5Aobx1rm7b8ytbR79Ns&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4oqxuac-5FzXY&d=DwQFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=M6TEQX49yXejutDsd4cQYiHzQ_6YmiKyyDDOTZ_MeSc&m=CmzOy76JXgC0CEuGeChFTSjEFPDRhYkH_Mk5YSzJByo&s=jD3G_7MRY7gymnxD8sNrYFrb0ZhRD8awtdi9ZFXoQLY&e=> > > > > We covered a ton of ground, characterizing the above collection the “Rebel > Alliance” in relationship to the techno-trans-humanist > Facebook/Musk/Kurzweil metaverse-tech. We need a metapsych-tech that > grounds us in the world rather than turning everyone/thing into digital AI. > We frame our current cultural/metamodern sensibility as a “coherent > integrated pluralism” as opposed to the chaotic fragmented pluralism of the > modern-postmodern confusion. > > > > I also hooked up with Paul Vanderklay, here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DRa2NpY5EZUE-26t-3D18s&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=6SsknWG29OJMSQZXWPyh6RxBSHKa9VDeKJYaAKbpXXQ&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DRa2NpY5EZUE-26amp-3Bt-3D18s&d=DwQFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=M6TEQX49yXejutDsd4cQYiHzQ_6YmiKyyDDOTZ_MeSc&m=CmzOy76JXgC0CEuGeChFTSjEFPDRhYkH_Mk5YSzJByo&s=lBcCz3Jb6Oic7jnSjiDOWwFFXWwEeqrzRDXbfj7sbUQ&e=> > > Titled “A Scientifically Informed Religion After New-Atheism” it follows > up on Paul’s conversation with John Vervaeke on the difference and relation > between nontheism, classical theism, and common theism. > > > > My felt sense here is that there is a hopeful, realistic vision of an > emerging sensibility that allows us to resolve the Enlightenment Gap and > obtain the proper relations between mind and matter and move from the > modern-postmodern chaotic fragmented muddle in coherent integrated > pluralistic vision that affords the widespread cultivation of wisdom > energy. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > ___________________________________________ > > Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. > Professor > Department of Graduate Psychology > 216 Johnston Hall > MSC 7401 > James Madison University > Harrisonburg, VA 22807 > (540) 568-7857 (phone) > (540) 568-4747 (fax) > > > *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* > > Check out the Unified Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=P812Ks8sdlmJ3TthPXbknN7rBwDmg7NLp6jnd05aboM&s=aBPaNf6y9BQ9c5w9TG-8mxtCsL9J3f130wXIdB1S0Rc&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwQFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=M6TEQX49yXejutDsd4cQYiHzQ_6YmiKyyDDOTZ_MeSc&m=CmzOy76JXgC0CEuGeChFTSjEFPDRhYkH_Mk5YSzJByo&s=ulNMuteXU7pkRRk_aw9zjF-E77zKJuY2s-Clf7tBIEs&e=> > > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.jmu.edu_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FSUBED1-3DTOK-2DSOCIETY-2DL-26amp-3BA-3D1&d=DwQFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=M6TEQX49yXejutDsd4cQYiHzQ_6YmiKyyDDOTZ_MeSc&m=CmzOy76JXgC0CEuGeChFTSjEFPDRhYkH_Mk5YSzJByo&s=Ay-tTXHvVr89vlFN1I8lr1yhYepr5hc0bDUYE6n6GW8&e=> > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1