I might also add that human population estimates are consistently too low. 
They were heavily extrapolated from archaeological evidence of cities with permanent dwellings.
This grossly undercounts the number of people living on the periphery of such places in non-permanent dwellings, that left little trace of their passing.  
Basically we didnt have realistic population estimates until the late middle ages...and even still we undercounted population outside of Eurasia/Middle East. 

I generally consider that the "mainstream" population estimates before 500 AD should be doubled, and before 500 BC should be tripled, or more. 

Supposedly it took until the 1400s for us to hit 300 million people. 

So yeah, not only are we pushing historical dates of civilization, language, and some tools back by several thousand years, but we are raising our estimates of how many people there were and how late they co-existed with other hominids -  Homo Floresiensis was likely around until 20,000 B.C., and were literally 50% smaller than humans of the same time!

Estimates of historical world population - Wikipedia

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 12:07 PM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Many thanks for this summary, Tim.

 

My sense was that we were missing a more “horticultural” transition period from 50,000 to 10,000 and I am curious to see if that is what the book is arguing.

 

Also, right now, I don’t see much conflict with the overall Tree of Knowledge frame/architecture. But always curious/open/anxious to see new data come in.

 

Best,
Gregg

 

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I really want to read this. 

 

Timelines I think are definitely too conservative with organization and cooperation far older. If you are familiar with the work of Witzel and the work coming from folklore studies I think we can say that the first groups to leave Africa had a far more complex society than previously imagined. Symbolic codes, asterisms connected to collective myths and the ability to navigate which then changed dramatically after an apparent catastrophe and a reemergence around 40k BP.

 

The work happening at was is being called Tas Tepeler in Turkey is just astonishing with currently 12 major sites, from 9.6 to 7.5 k BCE, of what had to be a high state of social cooperation and complex thinking which then dispersed throughout the Mediterranean in multiple waves. 

I do not have the citation with me but it is possible that they also originated the alphabet by the time of the 8.2kiloyear event dispersal. 

 

More work needs to be done at Gobekli Tepe but it looks like they were also emerging from elsewhere, (perhaps just the coast) with some previously developed skills, after the combination of both the comet Enki impact and the Younger Dryas which followed. And with the multiple flooding events and probable solar flare activity these people had to deal with a lot. 

 

Another area which seemed to have had early social development is both coasts of India where work is underway researching possible port sites(cities) dating as far back as 15k BCE based on how far under water they are. It’s a great time to be an archeologist. 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:20 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Folks,

If anyone has read or has opinions about the new book, The Dawn of Everything, I welcome that, either here or back channel. Here is a review from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/graeber-wengrow-dawn-of-everything-history-humanity/620177/

 

Best,
G

 

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