Dear Robert,

  Many thanks for this note. I appreciate your reflection. Although I may be biased, I do agree that we have something that has been special here. And, I did not experience you as being all that oppositional, and we each have some responsibility to know how to side step unproductive exchanges, which I think we managed.

   I know you have experienced a serious loss lately, and that has been disruptive. I am sorry for that. I hope you find a way to metabolize it in a way that honors your friend.

 Take Care,
Gregg

 

 

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consider this a humility test

I am deeply sorry. 

I probably deserve this. 
Someone who i actually like and my friend did this, and tried to teach me a humility test by sharing this with the group when i wasnt looking. 
he wanted to see if I was man enough to admit i was being vain recently.

Ok, yeah. sorry. 

you're right. 
I was being cocky and it came off as vain. 
So I'll just say thank you to all my friends and co workers and my good friends on this list at UTOKing with GRegg. 
I actually have been mega impressed with the whole relationship with things here, and all the amazing insights. 
I've wanted most, but not all, of UTOKing videos, but I only have so much time to keep up. 

I can only imagine the heights we can reach as a REbel Alliance, but I am syncial that we speak each others' language
Gregg has seen me struggle over interoperability issues and get frustrated about them. 
Really I think we have a TON of amazing authors and insights in our communities, but we talk past each other.

the idea of better ontologies is to stop talking past each other, and that's why I live gRegg's perspective. 
Gregg listens to every theorist like a therapist, using clinical approaches to reach the depths of each theory and PERSON. 

Amazing. Rare. 

Everyone feels seen and heard by Gregg. 

So I basically nominate Gregg and Michel to continue to hold central roles in the commons philosophy process

 as opposed to the guru rockstar philosophy process 

And I also see others being amazing, like Nora and Lene, and Bruce, and Layman, and so forth

I just want to commend everyone for being AWESOME. 

You really are some of the best bunches of people in the world, do you know that?

Give yourselves a round of applause. And forgive me for being a clown sometimes. I get bored and lonely and had bad examples. 

Have a lovely day. 

Robert

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 4:11 AM ryanrc111 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Guys I am very sorry. 

this was a joke that someone else shared and used my account to do it when i was not paying attention

 

Im so embarrassed

 

please I did not share this photo. 

I am sorry

 

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:37 AM ryanrc111 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

dont cry for me argentina

the truth is i never left you

i went academic

I left the music scene

I kept my promise to always be dope, despite sobriety

dont keep your distance, despite your herpes

 

 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:46 PM Jamie D <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Oh, I believe it.

I don't see any sensible reason to choose hate from the start, so the degree to which hate is voluntary must only secondary to nonvoluntary hurt in the body, via someone's toxic words or actions...and the inability to find a way to make peace...so I see hate as mostly a consequence of desperation....but then a person may be in danger of slipping farther into it.

 

So even though genetics and physiological factors play a role, the Word is the first principle, and I've experienced the paradoxical (non-understandable) results of sending the word's blessings to what feeis like a curse (or bondage).... Surprisingly, to do so isn't to find oneself afterwards to be the monster they tried to make you. One is not validating it...somehow the Word blessing sent to that source ... makes it impartial..maybe...I'm lost for words.

 

The same with other corresponding dualities:

 

Send the word healthy when sick comes up, good when evil is felt, pleasure when pain arises, positivity to negativity....abd so on...

 

Where I'm also lost for words is a recent discovery that like a proud cat, I had been unconsciously cursing those who bless me, dismissing those who might care...and this was a very, very old inclination from childhood.

 

I don't understand it. 

Sensible reason or ethics may be appropriate outside, in the business world, but within, reprogramming my nervous system....i don't understand. All I know is the adversary (a past Word ingested) no longer rises against adversary.

 

Other ways of self inquiry I practice are, "who or sense within attracts this 'I-thought'... because its often not made explicit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 3:44 PM michael kazanjian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Jamie D:

 

You will not believe this, but the scripture you quote,  "bless those who curse you...."  is ergonomic.  When someone curses or otherwise hates you, it may be voluntary, but can also be involuntary, due to external factor such as genetics or environment.  My  book, Unified Philosophy, deals with nature and nurture in a chapter.

 

Michael M. Kazanjian

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The demand of loving one's neighbor as oneself can seem not just difficult but absurd, but wasteful or even at times suicidal.

 

Consider though who your neighbor is when not present - a superposition.

 

They left an impression of words and signal within your nervous system, uniquely from them to you. Who they are to others is always different story.

 

When one thinks about things, people, words, names, ideas, all of this is instantiated within one's body.

 

How could anything, any name, any word, form or number...not be within oneself, as oneself, in oneself?

 

And the body, that consciousness clearly depends on, is more than its apparent 3D form.

 

The body is, scientifically, one with the river of all space and time, for where does it end or begin?

 

The real form of the human body could very well be formless, boundless... as when I look out of these eyes, neuroscience justifies the claim that all 'out there' is processed within me.

 

We know that a healthy human body depends on a good, integrated signal, as a dead body doesn't have these.

 

Death is likely a bad idea...not justified scientifically nor by any means but as a measure of the un-explicated bloodsport of life, where who's right or smart is largely measured by status.

 

Death is a sapping of the program or signal in the body, when someone frowns at your idea, instills false doubt, often to give themselves reassurance that nothing new is to be learned or considered from your point of view, and that what you see means nothing.

 

What did I do to intimidate my brother? What false spirit carried me away to this place where the truth I speak, a truth needed to be told, is corrupted by an age-old tinge of resentment?

 

My consideration of him as I digest the Word of him within me, (think about him) to find out how to better treat him in reality, has a limit...when no amount of reason suffices, but only intimidates him even more.

 

I will be no scapegoat.

 

We all take on the sins of each other in varying degrees....but it's an insult to us all for someone to waste their fullest human potential to enable their brother's vice.

 

"Bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who abuse you" ... 

 

...it may be helpful for westerners to think of this as simple - aa neuro-linguistic programming, something to emphasize within more than without, for their names, all names, all words, all mathematics...is within the Self, which is eternal - the realm of ideal forms is the realm of imagination.

 

God is imaginary, like the 'meta' is above the physique...but it in our nature to make dreams come true, and not to persist in wasteful fantasies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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