Brandon,

I tried to convince Marshall Aen join me in seasoning a metaplatform for integral such several years ago. 

He said it was was great idea but years off from his ability or his knowledge of anyone else who would be able to keep up with such a concept 
I have since met multiple people who all proposed metaplatforms for this social space including Marcus Gabler. 

I even am talking to a Bhutanese entrepreneur who thinks he has all practical solution for global integration of sustainability and cultural progress called Global village Connections. 

But oooe everyone else his ideas are either too pure and elaborate and half baked or else too narrow and eccentric and assuming dome magic angel investors for all the real work for him


 We actually have several people who have the personal qualities to lead such organizations which includes Jordan hall Daniel schmoachtenberger and myself.... 

 However I'm beginning to think that NONE OF THE ABOVE  have the vision because there's too much disagrement on what people are actually looking for. 

 Pretty much everyone can equally complain about the world as it is but when pressed to actually change it they all are going in a 1000 different directions and not collaborating effectively 

This is why every once in a while some powerful entity that's good at organization tells all of these various cats that they need to start behaving like dogs. And as soon as you try to change cats and dogs most of the cats wander off.

And then your left with the age old problem of prometheans versus mercurians. The prometheans come up with the ideas but they're absolutely useless in terms of execution. Mercurians are wonderful of execution but they have to pretty much radically dilute the meaning originality originality and ambition of the projects.

It's an angel's story and it's a big part of all of my work I published a paper on it and one of my dissertation papers was on this topic....


Good luck to us all

Until the cats can be dogs, they can't create sustainable social relationships.  

 As I keep saying I have a very fond opinion of all of the people and all of the early ideas across these social spaces but I have found 0 solutions that I can say:  Hey this looks like something that deserves to be scaled up massively AND will make sense to the mainstream of society.  

Robert 



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Gregg asked about this during our Emerge Gathering debrief meeting but I didn’t have time to give a full response.  There are quite a number of organizations, cooperatives, websites, email lists, Mighty Networks, Discords that are adjacent or somehow sympathetic.  One common thread is the recognition of the meta-crisis, or some aspect of it (political, economic, public health, educational, environmental, socio-cultural, and meaning).  Layman Pascal envisions a Venn-diagram with 3 partially overlapping circles for the most important intellectual movements: Integral, Metamodern, and GameB.  Some people and organizations might fall within one or two of these, and some all three. 

 

Last summer, a few of us got together to try to figure out how we might leverage technology to understand what people and what organizations have what values, approaches, theories, and goals and what other people and organizations might be able to partner with them to reach those goals.  Who is doing what?  How do we categorize this?  Who is potentially connected to whom?  How good of a job is each organization doing toward their stated goals?

 

I figured we could have a website and app that would provide this information in the form of lists and tables and Venn-diagrams created on the fly.  Lene suggested a directory that people would have to pay a small fee periodically in order to keep their information searchable.  I agreed that would at least answer the question of how to begin to pay for such a system, I also figured it would be more robust and useable if it would automatically and pro-actively mine this data from a variety of sources.  Kåre Wangel and I took this concept to Jim Rutt back in August and he said it would possibly be interesting to consider within his “Big Change Coalition”.  Kåre and I were hoping for an opportunity to present this idea to Rutt’s group (which I think includes the heavy hitters Gregg mentioned).  We haven’t got a response from him yet.  We’re both too busy to work on it ourselves, but we wanted to give the idea for others to run with it and see what they come up with.

 

As a start, Marcus Gabler put together this website and has a directory of many of the organizations https://www.mille-plateaux.com/sensemaking-philosophy although it is not interactive nor queryable and has limited entries right now.  Layman also had a map he showed during his appearances on RW and The Stoa that offered a few examples of organizations and intellectual movements adjacent to Integral Theory https://youtu.be/k6uUAS0wCCo?t=1932

 

I’m not sold on this term “Rebel Alliance”.  It sounds a bit Star Warsy, but this greater movement is likely to have different names that appeal to different people. 

 

Brandon

 

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Thanks, Andrew.

 

I completely agree with you that we need this. The topic came up at some point and I recall folks mentioning that some people may have worked on this, but I did not follow up at the time and now the reference escapes me. If others know of this kind of thing, please share.

 

When I built the UTOK website back in the summer of last year, I put up this page on related perspectives, which could be a start, but clearly is missing many possible pieces:

https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/content/related-perspectives

 

Best,

G

 

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Hey Gregg,

 

Thanks for sending this. Does anyone know if someone has put together a “map of the Rebel Alliance” with key contributors and their specialties as well as resource links for websites/podcasts/ etc.? It would be great for newcomers that may have been behind a discourse boundary to see the various communities instead of having to slowly discover them one by one.

 

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Hi Folks,

 

  Last week I had a ton of interesting conversations. I had the good fortune to connect with both Bonnitta Roy and Forrest Landry. Both are “heavy hitters” when it comes to this Metamodern/Game B/IDW/UTOK/Stoa/Rebel Wisdom/Integral world. From my vantage point, I felt able to readily “sync up” with both Bonnitta and Forrest and I am looking forward to continued conversations with them both. I also spoke with Michel Bauwens from the P2P Foundation, which will be coming out on Monday, and had a great conversation with Layman Pascal on UTOK’s frame for psychopathology, which will be released soon.  

 

I also hooked up with Jordan Hall, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqxuac_zXY

 

We covered a ton of ground, characterizing the above collection the “Rebel Alliance” in relationship to the techno-trans-humanist Facebook/Musk/Kurzweil metaverse-tech. We need a metapsych-tech that grounds us in the world rather than turning everyone/thing into digital AI. We frame our current cultural/metamodern sensibility as a “coherent integrated pluralism” as opposed to the chaotic fragmented pluralism of the modern-postmodern confusion.

 

I also hooked up with Paul Vanderklay, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra2NpY5EZUE&t=18s

Titled “A Scientifically Informed Religion After New-Atheism” it follows up on Paul’s conversation with John Vervaeke on the difference and relation between nontheism, classical theism, and common theism.

 

My felt sense here is that there is  a hopeful, realistic vision of an emerging sensibility that allows us to resolve the Enlightenment Gap and obtain the proper relations between mind and matter and move from the modern-postmodern chaotic fragmented muddle in coherent integrated pluralistic vision that affords the widespread cultivation of wisdom energy.

 

Best,
Gregg

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