I joined this list almost exactly a year ago, and I don’t recall any conversation streams where Cadell was involved.  I did watch the videos with him and Gregg shortly after they were published last year.  I’m not a member of IDW because I get too much email already and I’m already pretty sure I don’t agree with the Bard’s Dark Renaissance vision and his style of philosophy doesn’t vibe with me very much.  Sometimes I hear him on podcasts or videos and that’s enough Bard for me.  When I met him in Berlin he did offer to sign me up for his list but I declined. 

 

This makes me remember something from a few weeks ago when I participated in a Stoa session with someone (I can’t remember his name now) who is one of the main successors to Marshall McLuhan.  If I recall, he started by saying that there are a handful of somewhat distinct approaches to addressing the meta-crisis, and his McLuhanist vision is one of them.  The others include Dark Renaissance (Bard, Cadell Last), Enlightenment 2.0 (probably including UTOK and also Hanzi, among others), Batesonian (holistic ecology, led by Nora), Wilberian (spiritual integral and still being worked out with his 3rd Kosmos book in progress), and perhaps others.  I put a question in the chat asking if he could summarize his approach to addressing the meta-crisis vs. the others, but there wasn’t time to get to my question.   Could anyone provide such a summary of these?  Maybe we could make a table (something I love doing) and post it to someone’s Medium or Substack.

 

Brandon

 

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Gien,

  Good question. I don’t have a simple answer.  Perhaps the best way to frame it is to share that it looks like he will team up with Alexander Bard, and be part of that stream which can be framed as working to energize a new Dark Renaissance.  The UTOK is much more Enlightenment 2.0. Another way of possibly framing the difference is that I am more of a psychological scientist and he more a Freudian-Hegelian philosopher.  All that said, I saw and continue to see both of our work efforts as part of a larger move toward a coherent integrated pluralism.

 

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G 

 

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Hi Gregg,

 

Where did he interpret the differences to be?

 

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Hi Brandon,

  I may ask him. I certainly would welcome him. Were you on the TOK list when he left it? It looked like we were going to sync up and do a series together on the Enlightenment Gap. That was going to be an 8-10 part series, but he pulled the plug after 2, as he was going a different direction. We are over on Bard’s Intellectual Deep Web list and continue to be collegial, but also have different visions, although I think I see them as more compatible than he does.

 

I might check with him, though. Would make for an interesting UTOKing.

 

Best,
Gregg

 

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Yeah I met Cadell in person last month in Berlin.  He has some pretty amazing philosophy of subjectivity from a Hegelian perspective.  When are you going to have him on UTOKing, Gregg?

 

Brandon

 

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Thanks, Waldemar.

 

As folks who have been following this list know, I have corresponded/collaborated some with Cadell Last and appreciate the vision he offers.

 

I certainly am trying to frame the UTOK language in such a way that will be eventually useful in the global commons. I know that right now that seems odd, given that it feels like a labyrinth. But if we started with the UTOK language, the world would be so much clearer. So, that is the vision. Get some people to learn to speak it, and over time the system will get better at translation.

 

Best,
Gregg

 

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I came across this article and wish to share it with you because it is relevant to the TOK Society’s purpose.

 

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