Nicholas, not only are they standardized they are also often linked in a chain of development - do practice A for a year or more, then do practice B until ____, then proceed, etc. This is the case in Vajrayana practice for instance - Ngondro has 4 stages of development practice before accessing the higher tantric (Union) practices. Cheers And happy Yule everyone. On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:21 PM Nicholas Lattanzio <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Bruce, > > With your expertise in integral and with Eastern thought and practice, I > would be interested to converse with you at some point about the clinical > applications of some of these practices. The clinical application of the > Advaitist meditation Self-Inquiry was the topic of my dissertation, and in > researching for that I found many publishings advocating the use of a > variety of methods, and while of course standardization of these practices > from a Western perspective is not going to be a great reflection of the > true practice in its culture, but aside from that many of these practices > (e.g., most Zen schools) are extremely standardized; yet the literature > does not reflect it. > > I feel in therapy the I am-Am is distinction is nearly identical to the > distinction in acceptance and commitment therapy's Self--as-content vs > self-as-context (although as you noted even there the lines between content > and context as Pure Awareness vary quite widely). I have found in my work > that such a distinction can bring about profound transformations when one > defuses/unhooks/shifts/etc. from larger schemas and self-systems, and into > more "spiritual" realms, which is where I particularly wonder what you > think about where, as a clinician, should the line be drawn in how far we > take a client on the spiritual aspect of the therapeutic journey, which > cannot be factored out through standardization if the intervention is to > remain valid and effective. Now I would never try to "wake someone up" to > anything outside of what is clinically necessary, which likely does not > require full self-realization or those second tier consciousnesses to do, > but does that mean it shouldn't happen? I'm just wondering your opinion (I > will get Loch Kelly's book). > > For the purpose of descriptive metaphysics, I see their relevance of I > am-Am is as essentially the 1st person vs 3rd person or UL vs UR > epistemologies. But, as I think you eluded to, the applications for Am is > are by definition content-dependent, which in my mind unify the two if one > concedes the inevitability of an awareness/consciousness-based ground of > being, though that's a different discussion almost entirely. > > > Regards, > > Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:44 AM Bruce Alderman <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> Hi, Gregg, I really appreciated this article, and I'm glad (with your >> credentials) you're sharing this kind of thing on PT. For those who go >> into it, there are several layers or gradations of experience and insight >> that go with the "am is" -- meaning, some traditions draw distinctions >> between grosser and subtler levels of it. Dream and sleep yogas are one >> way to get at these subtle meanings (both of which just involve working >> with 'awareness' in dream and deep sleep states). >> >> But for a very practical, innovative approach, rooted both in some of the >> highest contemplative practices but also contemporary psychological >> awareness, I'd recommend the book, "Shift into Freedom" by Loch Kelly. He >> provides a lot of interesting exercises and tips for 'unhooking' from the >> self-related stream and exploring different dimensions (and implications, >> perceptual and psychological) of the 'am is.' >> >> (His use of "shift" provides a nice, though I think not directly related, >> echo to the work you've been doing with Rob Scott. I'm going to be talking >> again with Rob very soon!) >> >> Best, >> B. >> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 11:44 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> I put up this PT blog today on two streams of consciousness, the Self >>> Stream (I am) and the Pure Awareness Stream (Am Is). >>> >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202112_two-2Dstreams-2Dconscious-2Dawareness&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CgeBJkAf6ewuz2neWL4WBQgXhnIVSE-Zmejll1ZVJKY&s=Q9qlZQOrOl1t9etFR6pMTi3hpBK32pW1c8M-VDJgVnw&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202112_two-2Dstreams-2Dconscious-2Dawareness&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=qmDtcv3pAvG2JAHQLvszlAtBKtdpGTUJtWZdEipXO-Q&s=Eki4AM1NL2FC6xSOsMfVtcFt4nMBVEFQk38VgTKcrcI&e=> >>> >>> >>> >>> Special thanks to Rob Scott for his work and guidance in this area, >>> G >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________ >>> >>> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. >>> Professor >>> Department of Graduate Psychology >>> 216 Johnston Hall >>> MSC 7401 >>> James Madison University >>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >>> (540) 568-7857 (phone) >>> (540) 568-4747 (fax) >>> >>> >>> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* >>> >>> Check out the Unified Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CgeBJkAf6ewuz2neWL4WBQgXhnIVSE-Zmejll1ZVJKY&s=OvyRWO9faRJSfKZqtryXJVc4JIbL2ua2697di19CqWM&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=qmDtcv3pAvG2JAHQLvszlAtBKtdpGTUJtWZdEipXO-Q&s=gXCRv02D3Qh-pwwjCWHSqg-2bMilJfARdYBAlfpRPq0&e=> >>> >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >>> following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > -- Timothy Rollin Pickerill Business - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.AudioVideoArts.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CgeBJkAf6ewuz2neWL4WBQgXhnIVSE-Zmejll1ZVJKY&s=A0OM993MgNOOdo9-bEatgPiDWR_0pps4H_DjRhRPq-c&e= Photography - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__instagram.com_pickerillphotography_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CgeBJkAf6ewuz2neWL4WBQgXhnIVSE-Zmejll1ZVJKY&s=0VUXbCzxx3DyHpEeCwzw7-P3di-675ryUGbcWnJZe6g&e= Art - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.TR-2DPickerill.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CgeBJkAf6ewuz2neWL4WBQgXhnIVSE-Zmejll1ZVJKY&s=EO5fJhpxAy8Maa-7708xMrxFI3oZzMaICobepaWE8eg&e= 646-299-4173 (cell) ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1