Hi, TOK list friends, recently Layman and I had the pleasure of talking to John Vervaeke about our respective approaches to religion and spirituality.  This looks like it may be the beginning of a longer series of conversations.  For this first video, we feel into some of the commonalities and differences between Integral Postmetaphysical Spirituality and Integral Transformative Practice, the orientations and practices Layman and I have pursued for many years, and John's "religion that is not a religion" and his work around developing an ecology of practices suitable for addressing the meaning crisis.