I love that diagram TR, I didn't know you posted so much on Medium. I'll have to check out more of your writing, I just started putting a few essays up on it within the last 2 months or so. Anyways I totally agree with your connection of my thinking here to the postmodern thread, and I appreciate you pointing it out because it helps me organize my own articulations. As your diagram purports, but in the words of Alan Watts, "Existence *is* relationship and you are smack in the middle of it." Regards, Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:20 PM Tim Pickerill <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Lee > I would say all of the above. > > And as far as distinctions I would say yes. > Such as reactance, awareness, consciousness, self-awareness, then what? > Being clear about this helps relating the hierarchical modes of being. > Nature may have spirit but does it, or say a tree, have psyche which I > connect to the subjective; I do not believe so and for this reason do not > believe in panpsychism - though I do believe in Universal Mind as the > objective ground state of being. > Same thing with consciousness (with-knowledge) where folks are speaking of > it as being a primary constituent of the Universe, or as the ground of > being. I would differentiate it from Mind where Mind is the medium for > change (waveform) and differentiation (space), and consciousness is the > perception of qualia (the harmonics of change and relationship) which > allows for being not simply material existence. > That is as much that I can say over lunch. > All the best > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:21 AM lee simplyquality.org > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__simplyquality.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nHayZSDI3KraEPA2fQ31S8J0vJMB-ezKYd4JYZ-yCLY&s=TCBfZOne_CjC1hLn_FAEOidGu-D30bFanqipcGaCcfs&e=> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> Tim, >> Thanks for sharing this totally cool graphic. >> >> It helps me better understand the distinction between “what there is” and >> the taxonomy, classification, and labels we give to various subsets, and >> collections of all there is. >> I described what I understand as “what there is” at: What there is >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Beyond-5FTheism_What-5Fthere-5Fis&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jqaeGxibY_l4JTtuUfetdj0bEo4gYo3aZxXy6c8sGfE&s=t2zFl-Vm-jhcSKD8kgjyg8fjqNxv54mgqcRuX2_12aM&e=> >> >> But we can choose to organize all that there is in many (consistent) ways. >> For example, we can describe quarks, atoms, molecules, amino acids, >> proteins, neurons, synapses, nervous systems, brain, and mind. >> Gregg makes useful distinctions by subdividing mind into mind1, mind2, >> and mind 3. >> >> Does your graphic primarily illustrate 1) What there is, 2) A taxonomy, >> 3) A categorization, 4) a vocabulary, 5) All of these? >> In what ways is it useful to draw distinctions between mind, psyche, >> soul, spirit, and consciousness? >> In what ways is it useful to emphasize their similarities? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lee Beaumont >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Tim Pickerill <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> I was looking into this last year so my 2 cents would be that mind, >> psyche, soul, spirit, and consciousness are used to some extent >> interchangeably in reference to our personal frame as well as the larger >> sphere of universal mind or substrate and it would be marvelous to have a >> greater differentiation and hierarchy between the personal and the >> universal. This is even more relevant as discussion of panpsychism and >> monism develops further; whether you could get consensus on this is another >> thing. Personally I would reserve consciousness to discussion of process, >> psyche to discussing the personal, and mind to that considered universal or >> the substrate of mind from which consciousness develops into or as >> personnel psyches. Spirit I would reserve for the motive force of life, and >> soul possibly for that part which returns back into universal mind. This >> should relate to notions of “the great chain of being” and any metaphysics >> which connects being and life up through physics of the the explicate order >> into the implicate order and source at the highest level where I place >> Mind. >> >> Really glad you are working on this. >> >> This is what I have been working on partially related to this. >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nemo67.medium.com_this-2Dis-2Dthe-2Dnew-2Dparadigm-2D72c460c9a449&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=bP77ItsAS2vhWy_klj-T_ETCTIvfuzrmhKuyo-dTOyM&s=KWL8eLovlkk_DX92Z0LpyBuWy9whtPEAo6j2uY94nws&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nemo67.medium.com_this-2Dis-2Dthe-2Dnew-2Dparadigm-2D72c460c9a449&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=YxZ02810iRZjB0ZI95pHQwe7sDPzRQcoAqFzwm9haEM&s=i7-NeU5q_qJRx3zdVwsv725G7NH1Dxabrf6E3wIiV1c&e=> >> >> It’s a work in progress. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:20 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi TOK Folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> I welcome any thoughts or references people have regarding the framing >>> of the “psyche.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Let me share some recent developments in my thinking. Over the last >>> year, I have been developing a language system that allows me to entangle >>> and weave this concept into UTOK in a way that is really starting to “hum”. >>> A few months ago, I did this blog >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202109_the-2Dfour-2Dvertical-2Dlayers-2Dthe-2Dhuman-2Dpsyche&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=YxZ02810iRZjB0ZI95pHQwe7sDPzRQcoAqFzwm9haEM&s=YyBCqUjm8kh7ofO-FSA2vJCcqZ2ZTRnpd7_Pf_C3yzs&e=>, >>> which is, I think the first blog I did that explicitly starts to frame the >>> human psyche from the UTOK language game. >>> >>> >>> >>> I will say that since this blog, I added some details not included here. >>> So, currently in my working this out, there is the “Vital layer” which is >>> the core animal-body connection. That is listed here as “the body,” and it >>> corresponds, in our phylogenetic history, to the emergence of animals in >>> the Cambrian explosion and the way the nervous system functions to move the >>> body as a whole and is guided by the “base of sentience,” which is a >>> sensory-motor loop that is organized by pleasure and pain. The experience >>> of pleasure and pain are the base of Mind2 in the Map of Mind. More >>> recently, I have been adding another layer, consistent with this blog >>> on the evolution of consciousness >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202102_human-2Dconsciousness-2Din-2Dfive-2Dbasic-2Dsteps&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=YxZ02810iRZjB0ZI95pHQwe7sDPzRQcoAqFzwm9haEM&s=YZKlc5pWJargG4Rn03fRyGp-AL5YvbGsuQrgya2AZ9Y&e=>, >>> which can be corresponded to our vertebrate-into-mammalian lineage. This is >>> the inner mind’s eye that connects to working memory and includes the basic >>> witness function. To use John V’s framing, this inner minds eye has an >>> adverbial framing function that affords the experience of adjectival >>> qualia. If we decide to stay with this as one layer, we can still consider >>> this the base of the psyche that has animal body / mammal perceptual >>> experiential aspects. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then we move to the primate heart. This is the self-other matrix, >>> grounded in attachment, but emerges as an implicit intersubjective field, >>> the process dimensions mapped by the Influence Matrix. As Tomasello shows, >>> we are unique great apes in this way, forming shared >>> intentional-attentional we spaces, and this is prior to language. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then we get to the head, which I call “mind” in the colloquial sense in >>> the blog above, but I prefer head, as this ontological domain is not the >>> right referent for mind in the UTOK language system. Anyway, the head >>> consists of two streams. First, there is the projected extension of >>> perceptual reasoning across long periods of time. Second, there is the ego >>> narrator that gets socialized on the Person-Culture plane of existence. >>> Folks that do intelligence testing will recognize these two streams as >>> Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning >>> >>> >>> >>> Last, there is the trans-justificatory, trans-egoic, transcendent >>> spiritual aspect. >>> >>> >>> >>> Note, although it is a different map-legend of the terrain, this picture >>> merged well with Zak Stein’s work on his metapsychology and the three major >>> domains of the psyche (skill development, ensoulment, transcendence) as was >>> seen in the series he did with John and me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, what has been clicking for me, is a bridging function between >>> the iQuad Coin and what it does for/how it frames the psyche, and the Tree >>> of Knowledge System, which is a natural science view of the world. And so, >>> I am now starting to weave together the way the ToK System maps animal into >>> human mental behavior from a third person scientific empirical view and the >>> iQuad Coin frames the idiographic architecture of the first person >>> empirical perspective of the unique individual situated in the real. So, >>> via this depiction, we can see the ToK System mapping mental behavior from >>> the scientific language game, and the iQuad coin mapping the specific >>> individual situated in their particular epistemic reality. 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