I love that diagram TR, I didn't know you posted so much on Medium. I'll have to check out more of your writing, I just started putting a few essays up on it within the last 2 months or so. Anyways I totally agree with your connection of my thinking here to the postmodern thread, and I appreciate you pointing it out because it helps me organize my own articulations. 

As your diagram purports, but in the words of Alan Watts, "Existence is relationship and you are smack in the middle of it."
Regards,

Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.


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Lee 
I would say all of the above. 

And as far as distinctions I would say yes. 
Such as reactance, awareness, consciousness, self-awareness, then what? Being clear about this helps relating the hierarchical modes of being. Nature may have spirit but does it, or say a tree, have psyche which I connect to the subjective; I do not believe so and for this reason do not believe in panpsychism - though I do believe in Universal Mind as the objective ground state of being. 
Same thing with consciousness (with-knowledge) where folks are speaking of it as being a primary constituent of the Universe, or as the ground of being. I would differentiate it from Mind where Mind is the medium for change (waveform) and differentiation (space), and consciousness is the perception of qualia (the harmonics of change and relationship) which allows for being not simply material existence. 
That is as much that I can say over lunch. 
All the best

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Tim,
Thanks for sharing this totally cool graphic.

It helps me better understand the distinction between “what there is” and the taxonomy, classification, and labels we give to various subsets, and collections of all there is.
I described what I understand as “what there is” at: What there is

But we can choose to organize all that there is in many (consistent) ways.
For example, we can describe quarks, atoms, molecules, amino acids, proteins, neurons, synapses, nervous systems, brain, and mind.
Gregg makes useful distinctions by subdividing mind into mind1, mind2, and mind 3.

Does your graphic primarily illustrate 1) What there is, 2) A taxonomy, 3) A categorization, 4) a vocabulary, 5) All of these?
In what ways is it useful to draw distinctions between mind, psyche, soul, spirit, and consciousness?
In what ways is it useful to emphasize their similarities?

Thanks,

Lee Beaumont 


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I was looking into this last year so my 2 cents would be that mind, psyche, soul, spirit, and consciousness are used to some extent interchangeably in reference to our personal frame as well as the larger sphere of universal mind or substrate and it would be marvelous to have a greater differentiation and hierarchy between the personal and the universal. This is even more relevant as discussion of panpsychism and monism develops further; whether you could get consensus on this is another thing. Personally I would reserve consciousness to discussion of process, psyche to discussing the personal, and mind to that considered universal or the substrate of mind from which consciousness develops into or as personnel psyches. Spirit I would reserve for the motive force of life, and soul possibly for that part which returns back into universal mind. This should relate to notions of “the great chain of being” and any metaphysics which connects being and life up through physics of the the explicate order into the implicate order and source at the highest level where I place Mind. 

Really glad you are working on this. 

This is what I have been working on partially related to this. 


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  I welcome any thoughts or references people have regarding the framing of the “psyche.”

 

 Let me share some recent developments in my thinking. Over the last year, I have been developing a language system that allows me to entangle and weave this concept into UTOK in a way that is really starting to “hum”. A few months ago, I did this blog, which is, I think the first blog I did that explicitly starts to frame the human psyche from the UTOK language game.

 

I will say that since this blog, I added some details not included here. So, currently in my working this out, there is the “Vital layer” which is the core animal-body connection. That is listed here as “the body,” and it corresponds, in our phylogenetic history, to the emergence of animals in the Cambrian explosion and the way the nervous system functions to move the body as a whole and is guided by the “base of sentience,” which is a sensory-motor loop that is organized by pleasure and pain. The experience of pleasure and pain are the base of Mind2 in the Map of Mind.  More recently, I have been adding another layer, consistent with this blog on the evolution of consciousness, which can be corresponded to our vertebrate-into-mammalian lineage. This is the inner mind’s eye that connects to working memory and includes the basic witness function. To use John V’s framing, this inner minds eye has an adverbial framing function that affords the experience of adjectival qualia. If we decide to stay with this as one layer, we can still consider this the base of the psyche that has animal body / mammal perceptual experiential aspects.

 

Then we move to the primate heart. This is the self-other matrix, grounded in attachment, but emerges as an implicit intersubjective field, the process dimensions mapped by the Influence Matrix. As Tomasello shows, we are unique great apes in this way, forming shared intentional-attentional we spaces, and this is prior to language.

 

Then we get to the head, which I call “mind” in the colloquial sense in the blog above, but I prefer head, as this ontological domain is not the right referent for mind in the UTOK language system. Anyway, the head consists of two streams. First, there is the projected extension of perceptual reasoning across long periods of time. Second, there is the ego narrator that gets socialized on the Person-Culture plane of existence. Folks that do intelligence testing will recognize these two streams as Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning

 

Last, there is the trans-justificatory, trans-egoic, transcendent spiritual aspect.

 

Note, although it is a different map-legend of the terrain, this picture merged well with Zak Stein’s work on his metapsychology and the three major domains of the psyche (skill development, ensoulment, transcendence) as was seen in the series he did with John and me.

 

Finally, what has been clicking for me, is a bridging function between the iQuad Coin and what it does for/how it frames the psyche, and the Tree of Knowledge System, which is a natural science view of the world. And so, I am now starting to weave together the way the ToK System maps animal into human mental behavior from a third person scientific empirical view and the iQuad Coin frames the idiographic architecture of the first person empirical perspective of the unique individual situated in the real. So, via this depiction, we can see the ToK System mapping mental behavior from the scientific language game, and the iQuad coin mapping the specific individual situated in their particular epistemic reality. That is, mental behavior in general and the human psyche in particular can now be placed in proper relation.

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Seems like another step on effectively solving the problem of psychology. Would love to know what others think and welcome references to the psyche that others think might be valuable.


Warm regards to all,

Gregg

 

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