Tyler, Yes! We are waiting for some kind of Godot. *From the TOK perspective*, we will continue to feel rising anxiety and be at risk for running amok due to a lack of superordinate and shared justification system that can make sense of our current and ongoing reality. When you mention a "post-psychoanalytic" world, I wonder if you mean psychology's confusion about the value of individuation and ego strengthening versus relativism and the allure of collectivist and eastern values? Curious also about what you think is missing from the current discourse on what our loadstar is or could be? -Chance On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 5:31 AM James Tyler Carpenter < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Too often in this post psychoanalytic era of research the mind and brain > are wandering about like characters in a play by Beckett or Pirandello;-) > > James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP > www.metispsych.com > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=c4G1vZGjNdJY2unNslsnp-hnWyQRI148S8tr9wslt5g&s=9zdi3EUMXFdS3kp-SuM6-LyQ3fFdnYLg3qNj4Z_tHHg&e= > ------------------------------ > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 6:25:40 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Karl Friston > > > This looks great, thanks for sharing. I like Friston’s work very much. > > > > I presented at his Active Inference lab a bit ago: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DZvwt-2D98kcFM&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=c4G1vZGjNdJY2unNslsnp-hnWyQRI148S8tr9wslt5g&s=d6VxDWYqIGxMJLeO9NnBKeGQI3mPPFkhd44ink12XLg&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.youtube.com-252Fwatch-253Fv-253DZvwt-2D98kcFM-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257C748969661fe249cf845f08d9f6bf3fea-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637812123555520093-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3DIVK-252FWv8LGmvlC1Z-252FTFipFfcXwBgCQK-252Bdj6KepFFP-252FgE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMF-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=oFrSm324TRhtYTyJMMlOxPNN1HFPzqm5WjOt1CPiIL8&s=NdqF1Px3t1NwKlVgv_p83IVCiWiGMCh5TBzYVSuG9pI&e=> > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Chance McDermott > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:49 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Karl Friston > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. 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