Thanks so much for this, Ali. Wonderful summary and makes me feel good to see how it was followed and positively experienced. Great question about the fetus mother in-utero relation. I would see it basically being mediated by the biophysiological processes rather than animal-mental behavioral processes. Given that, folks who are much more knowledgeable about such processes would have to answer that question. Best, Gregg From: theory of knowledge society discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of James Tyler Carpenter Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 12:24 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UTOKing with Michael Mascolo CAUTION: This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ________________________________ Marvelous summarization, Ali. I can think of numerous others who would benefit from a pairing of the marvelous presentation by Michael and Gregg, as well as the clarity and succinctness of your bullet-point summary. Is there a way this might be converted to a moveable psychological feast for a variety other listsm ? 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Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ________________________________ Gregg and Michael, This was a delightful watch/listen! Here are some quotes and concepts that seemed important to me: * "Meaning is the structuring of experience." * "Language allows us to represent and make intelligible our experience to ourselves and others." * "My experience is always richer than my conceptualizations." * INTER-SUBJECTIVITY * "Meaning crisis is the failure to have a shared sense of what is and ought collectively." * "Science informs what we do, it doesn't determine it." * "We can't look to (traditional) science to tell us what is good." * MORAL RELATIONALISM * Michael's values = justice, virtue, and care * Gregg's values = dignity, well-being, and integrity * "Common ground isn't found, it's created." As you were discussing the second person and inter-subjectivity, I found myself wondering how you both would frame the in-utero experience of a fetus in relation to their mother. Just grand! Warmly, Ali El mar, 1 feb 2022 a la(s) 07:03, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>) escribió: Hi TOK Folks, Please check out this UTOKing episode I did with Michael M. I really enjoyed it. We have always shared enormously respect and overlap in our positions, as well as some key differences. I felt more aligned than ever with Mike here as we clarified some key pieces regarding our various starting points when it comes to knowledge, science, meaning making and psychology. I think this is a great example of why dialogue/dialogos is so crucial. Hope you enjoy it. I know I did. Mike, thanks so much! Gregg YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNbT7FAS7I<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.youtube.com-5Fwatch-2D3Fv-2D3DbNNbT7FAS7I-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253DP8-2D6eBXHFy-2DguqQXnahM5E2U8YHsLWfKUO5CAcdPGhQ-2526s-253D5dCEU2GUeuW5PVVpFwA1AG1KdKSf6eDdflB-5FvYoaAZ4-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257Ce54ec20032e840ff5e2808d9e668c09a-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637794159857687700-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3D1HTrmE5RM306DtA10NxIrOpll3iwfN1scd23KI1IgaY-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAw&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=plZCQIPGCHJPrBICHZ8UIiLtK5nxPtVvQD-HibqMU7w&s=DEWQ5BzCufWrE_ti4NqUCCC9RiiEKnJxZyg7_0tgg48&e=> Episode 45: UTOKing with Michael Mascolo January 31, 2022 Title: Psychology, the Academy, and the Meaning Crisis In Episode 45, Gregg welcomes Dr. Michael Mascolo. He is a Professor of Psychology at Merrimack College, and a renowned scholar in developmental and relational approaches in psychology. Among his many accomplishments, he is author and editor of numerous books and over a hundred professional articles, as well as the Values Matter blog on Psychology Today<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.psychologytoday.com-5Fus-5Fblog-5Fvalues-2D2Dmatter-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253DP8-2D6eBXHFy-2DguqQXnahM5E2U8YHsLWfKUO5CAcdPGhQ-2526s-253DlHYFalvTvlldys3e84HmF1NI4Gv5Ye96OxxUw-2Dq-5Fv-2DQ-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257Ce54ec20032e840ff5e2808d9e668c09a-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637794159857843935-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3Ds9gx285aQzv97jIUkR7n12p6ObKhkdof9QYgMBJMKmM-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAw&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=plZCQIPGCHJPrBICHZ8UIiLtK5nxPtVvQD-HibqMU7w&s=jId_tq0ZrU8ewuBql3SfI9jPg3NoURfc04R0j8d11qI&e=>. He is also founder of Creating Common Ground<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.creatingcommonground.org-5F-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253DP8-2D6eBXHFy-2DguqQXnahM5E2U8YHsLWfKUO5CAcdPGhQ-2526s-253DX7u2Dkwzk85JDEmVfJ3BjZuaXV16FxTulWdJ4BrREVw-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257Ce54ec20032e840ff5e2808d9e668c09a-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637794159857843935-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3DOdDZTyAZwQ76mWox6J-252FVmZLQLwdtDmJgyMBxJPm-252FAFI-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAw&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=plZCQIPGCHJPrBICHZ8UIiLtK5nxPtVvQD-HibqMU7w&s=-i1dwBDOwjHUtlqqW_ZBm69PfVZ4VAMH8f_jskCnHC4&e=>, and an Executive Member of the TOK Society. In this conversation, he shares with Gregg his analysis of how human meaning and experience are fundamentally intersubjective in nature and what this means for a science of psychology and, more broadly, the structure and function of the academy and the current meaning crisis. 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