So, if our process of delivering the snowmobile to the research area results in
parts of the snowmobile breaking off (but all of the parts are inside the
research area), do we lose points or do we get full credit for the snowmobile? I
could ask the same for the ice buoy.
Patton Adams
Team Rob Bob
Chantilly, VA
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Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while
delivery
My mistake--Jason is correct.
For Study Wildlife, the bear or snowmobile must be touching and completely
inside the area.
For Get People Together, just a part of the citizens must be touching the area.
Thanks!
Steve
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:17:55 -0400, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>My interpretation is that you should think of the snowmobile and the
>bear as separate entities. Each item can score independent of the
>other. You do not need to get both of them to the research area to
>score with one of them.
>
>As to the "touching the mat outside that model", this is a good
>question to ask of the Q & A and I have sent it on.
>Darlene Pantaleo
>Judge Advisor
>Maggie Walker
>
>
>
>
>On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jason Baker wrote:
>
>> Steve needs to read the mission once again. It specifically says
>> "they must not be touching the mat outside that model"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Study Wildlife
>> Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To
>> score, they must be making direct contact with
>> the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they
>> must not be touching the mat outside that model.
>> The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points
>> "sleeping" (on its side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth
>> 10 points.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Scherr <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:46:45 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of
>> researchers while delivery
>>
>> J. Baker is mistaken. First, "touching" means that some part of
>> the model is touching the mat in
>> the scoring area. The mission does not state that the model must
>> be "completely" inside the area,
>> so some part of the model can be touching the scoring area, and
>> some part can be outside the
>> area, and it would still be a successful mission.
>>
>> Second, as Phil Smith III noted earlier, field damage to the
>> mission models has to be pretty severe
>> and clearly due to some robot action, like a crashing impact, to
>> be attributed to the robot. If a
>> hat, ski, arm, or a ski pole falls off during a round, it would
>> probably be considered model failure,
>> and be something not able to be repaired during the match. The
>> team could ask for the pieces to
>> be removed from the field as stray objects.
>>
>> Although it does not apply during this year's game, even if the
>> mission had required that the
>> model be completely inside the research area, and a ski had fallen
>> off and was not in the area, I
>> would expect the detaching of the ski to be ruled as model damage,
>> and that the team could still
>> earn points for the mission.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:58:39 -0400, J. Baker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >I would think both pieces would have to make it to the research area.
>> >Otherwise the model would be touching the mat outside the research
>> area.
>> >Especially since the robot is not allowed to "break mission
>> models" and if
>> >the points count as a result of "field damage" it only seems to me it
>> >wouldn't count due to field damage.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Field Damage
>> >
>> >. The robot is not allowed to break mission models or separate
>> Dual Lock.
>> >
>> >. If a mission model breaks, malfunctions, moves, or is activated by
>> >anything other than allowable action, the
>> >
>> >ref reverses the change as soon as possible (if possible).
>> >
>> >. Field damage too severe to reverse is left as is and could fall
>> under the
>> >Stray Objects rule.
>> >
>> >. If points are earned along with field damage that occurs due to
>> faulty
>> >model design, construction, or setup,
>> >
>> >you keep those points.
>> >
>> >. Field damage that obviously occurs because of the team or robot,
>> whether
>> >intentional or not, draws a
>> >
>> >warning. Repeats could make associated missions worthless.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Study Wildlife
>> >
>> >Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To
>> score,
>> >they must be making direct contact with
>> >
>> >the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they
>> must not
>> >be touching the mat outside that model.
>> >
>> >The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points
>> "sleeping" (on its
>> >side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth
>> >
>> >10 points
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> >From: First Lego League Discussion [mailto:VADCFLL-
>> [log in to unmask]] On
>> >Behalf Of Greg Robertson
>> >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:45 AM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers
>> while
>> >delivery
>> >
>> >
>> >I think the people would be fine because they just have to be
>> touching.
>> >I don't know about the snow mobile, or also the ice bouy, because
>> they say
>> >touching only the research area, I would think there should be some
>> >exception but I havn't seen anything.
>> >
>> >Greg
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Deepak Patil <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:53 AM
>> >Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while delivery
>> >
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >While delivering researchers (lego mini-figs) to their destination,
>> >sometimes their parts fall off (skis/caps, etc.)
>> >If that happens during tournament are any points taken off?
>> >
>> >Also similarly the snow-mobile looses it's parts, so if it's skis
>> fall off
>> >but rest of the snoe-mobile is delviered is
>> >it considered scored?
>> >
>> >Luckily the polar bear's head stays on it's shoulders :-)
>> >
>> >any insight will be appreciated.
>> >
>> >- Deepak Patil
>> >
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