Speaking as an individual (and not as a representative of Hypatia), I want
to agree with the concerns raised Ann, Naomi, Rebecca, and Camisha.

I also want to draw attention to something that Rebecca already started to,
but that may not be evident to many readers at first blush: the letter is
TERFy. Point 3 is all about how "feelings about gender" are making it
impossible to talk about sex. So, though the letter paints itself as a
defense of academic freedom, I urge people to take note of what is being
said in that section of the letter. As far as I can tell, the letter is
trying to create outrage about the idea that trans people are silencing
"females" and preventing feminist movements from advancing their interests.
And I would hope that most people in the feminist philosophy community
would find that proposition false and morally suspect--and that those of us
who are cis would consider the interests and perspectives of our trans
friends and colleagues as we formulate our individual reactions to the
letter.


On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Lynne Tirrell <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I agree with Ann and think Naomi and Rebecca are right on. Thanks
> especially, Naomi.
>
> Lynne
> Sent from my iPad, by dictation
>
> On May 28, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Ann Garry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> i'm coming to this only after seeing a number of responses.  Let's not
> give these people any more publicity. Ann
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> The more I am processing this the angrier I am getting. So they are
>> sending this stupid letter to the provosts and deans of untenured people,
>> trans and other minority scholars, and grad students who signed -
>> presumably to get them in trouble? To fuck up their lives? To what end? How
>> does this even conceivably help the causes that they themselves claim to
>> champion? What the hell?
>>
>> And they are using THIS LIST  to try to get feminist scholars to throw
>> vulnerable people under the bus at their own institutions, quite possibly
>> without even noticing that that's what they are doing.
>>
>> With Naomi's clarification I am now about a thousand times more angry and
>> disgusted than I was at the start.
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't understand the list either! Weird! Thanks, Naomi.
>>>
>>> I agree with several others on this thread that (even though I started
>>> it) a back and forth over email is unlikely to be a wonderful idea, and
>>> things will only get more and more meta. The more I read this letter the
>>> worse it gets, It's TERFy and ignorant and doing even Tuvel herself no
>>> favors. I'm pretty furious it exists.
>>>
>>> I'll just once more renew my call for people to actually work on these
>>> issues and on communicating and listening better.
>>>
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a quick note lest anyone make the mistake I made: the list of
>>>> names at the bottom of the open letter are the addressees, not the signers!
>>>>
>>>> Naomi Scheman
>>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies
>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>
>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, NOELLE MCAFEE <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree 100 percent with Rebecca. Let's just stop tearing the feminist
>>>> philosophy community apart. Enough with letters, petitions, defensiveness,
>>>> and attacks. We need to think constructively about editorial practices
>>>> going forward. Feminists ought to understand that if a group of colleagues
>>>> are deeply offended by something then we all need to take notice and be
>>>> honest and charitable and try to appreciate what is going on. This may call
>>>> for a conference to sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So people are angry about an open letter that they felt attacked a
>>>> junior person so they thought the best solution was yet another open letter
>>>> attacking what was mostly junior people? This has to stop somewhere. And
>>>> this affair has to be allowed to die already.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't sign the first letter and I am not signing this one either.
>>>>
>>>> People need to stop trying to settle their academic and political
>>>> disagreements via open letters designed to publicly shame by ganging up on
>>>> other people. It's not even clear what action item this one is calling for.
>>>> (The article is already being published, with only tiny word changes to
>>>> bring it in line with current linguistic conventions that avoid slurs, and
>>>> the other two items are too vague to be actionable.)
>>>>
>>>> The issues in this area are super important, so let's actually work on
>>>> them, rather than devoting our productive hours to metametametacritiques.
>>>>
>>>> Rebecca
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian Vigo ([log in to unmask]) asked me to forward the
>>>>> following message to the FEAST listserv.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Andrea Veltman
>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>>>> Department of Philosophy & Religion
>>>>> James Madison University
>>>>> MSC 8006
>>>>> Harrisonburg, VA  22807
>>>>> Office phone: 540-568-4236 <(540)%20568-4236>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> My latest book, *Meaningful Work*, is recently published by Oxford
>>>>> University Press:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=X1-eCb8FYbH3nixiy1tuTBbAD-CM8yZwxqHqu6CSduY&s=lY9rWc_qbU3GSwwmzpSUhUJz0ChkdfY-7O1JnFNR0DA&e= 
>>>>> 190618179?cc=us&lang=en&
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780190618179-3Fcc-3Dus-26lang-3Den-26&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=LOV-2yxVfBhZ6rrELChk7V70HvBgW6zEshQ0UIKg7j4&s=HYce-eGOp33z007rPm2X5TNGaDb6rEQYz0bS3UosSqI&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Julian Vigo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:54 PM
>>>>> *To:* Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal
>>>>> *Subject:* open letter
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Andrea,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am writing to ask if you could sign & share this open letter to
>>>>> protect academic freedom related to the Tuvel affair with consequences far
>>>>> beyond:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=X1-eCb8FYbH3nixiy1tuTBbAD-CM8yZwxqHqu6CSduY&s=5_73Nwb6WNTcwVgMHXT16Bivn8LC0-0CVyjjjhnTZrc&e= 
>>>>> patia-controversy
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhypatia-2Dcontroversy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=pD1LC8iUB_9BolWVjp5mQO6Efu7JLE3SBBQChsLBQFA&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your collaboration in signing and sharing this on social media, with
>>>>> colleagues and the Listserv would be creating appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian Vigo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>>  Dr. Julian Vigo, PhD, FRSA
>>>>>      www.lubellule.com
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lubellule.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=lb2KP3tV7dUGoMg0KrnwvFGHaQbKDzIfW2DnaflwlMc&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <dragonfly.jpg>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>> linkedin
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__uk.linkedin.com_pub_julian-2Dvigo-2Dphd_18_b24_5a5&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=Brg7Suwas2mQYJTX_opKLW3fHp-Z0fjtr4S546HlciE&e=>
>>>>>   aboutme
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>   twitter
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.twitter.com_lubelluledotcom&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=1tZr6fcqe5sG1BFlSuI6Jnynvj_55RCbV3YTleKhSTA&e=>
>>>>>   google+
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plus.google.com_u_0_114965595632445402873&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=YCmrjJh7nOwd7aieUW7wEml27zyKNbRHRCKGBIHc71s&e=>
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