I do think Tuvel's argument was "valid" for conclusion in Hypatia because
it used careful reasoning in applying a parallel between two cases. This is
a particular kind of approach that our discipline endorses. That such an
approach can appear to me to be overly circumscribed and ahistorical --as
well as dismissive of real life and power relations--doesn't mean that it
doesn't produce interesting and even productive results in some cases.
The way the problem was set up didn't seem to me to require a canvassing of
research in the area since it was set up as a circumscribed approach
designed to follow through a (perhaps overly intellectualized) problem in a
narrow way. I would hope that the article would trigger other articles that
would point out the limitations of such an approach and the way it failed
in this instance.
It's not a matter of saying "all viewpoints are equally valid"--it's a
matter of pushing through the limitations of our own approaches by virtue
of debate and critical reflection rather than policing. Tuvel's article was
well-intentioned and well-done for what it was. To allow it to incite
further debate on its drawbacks would, I think, be illuminating and helpful
for moving philosophy as a discipline past some of its blockages in
addressing crucial contemporary problems in an ethical way.
Sincerely,
Tamsin Lorraine
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dipping back into a conversation because it seems like a relevant
> qualifier is being excluded:
>
> Tasmin & Kathy
>
> I feel like in defense of Hypatia there continue to be some serious flaws
> in addressing the issue. By framing free speech as a void there is a
> continuing tendency to argue that "all viewpoints are equally valid," while
> Hypatia is opening itself to such viewpoints should Hypatia, Feminist
> Philosophy and Philosophy at large revisit other arguments lacking in
> scholarly merit? Should we look forward to article arguing for the positive
> contributions of eugenics? The necessity of fascism? And further *why* is
> there a blithe dismissal that so many people that objected to the original
> article objected because *it could not muster a veneer of relevant
> research* which is entwined with issues of review process. Nowhere in the
> original letter is there a call for Tuvel to lose her job nor is there a
> call for her to face academic sanctions nor is there an explicit claim that
> no research should ever be done on a subject. The claim is that the voices,
> arguments and research of stakeholders in an argument are actually
> important, something we could simply call "poor scholarship." It is
> troubling that academic freedom only seems to come up when the academic has
> managed to attack socially vulnerable groups (certainly Ward Churchill did
> not get the same defense when he actually lost his position, which was
> directly a freedom of speech case) and which continues to act as though
> Tuvel is *entitled* to a job; if her two papers I have read (the Hypatia
> article and one on "animality" about women of color which both show a
> marked disinterest in the scholarship of women of color which talking about
> women of color) are a benchmark for her research, she doesn't deserve the
> position given her antagonistic viewpoint of historically vulnerable
> populations as objects for her to utilize for thought experiments rather
> than subjects of knowing. Maybe my assessment is harsh? But it is
> immaterial.
>
> Kathy trying to parse your second to last paragraph, am I wrong in
> thinking you are claiming that treating trans individuals as fully
> functional human beings (and as having a legitimate gender) is an
> ideological point which (again as I am parsing it) you believe is invalid
> and dogmatically enforced? Because you could come out and say it? Since the
> whole "pro trans = pro gender" reads as though you are arguing that there
> is something wrong with the position?
>
> Best,
> Fiona Maeve Geist
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Tamsin E Lorraine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I was troubled by the original letter demanding retraction of Tuvel's
> article both for its harshness toward a junior faculty member as well as
> its harshness toward Hypatia reviewers.
>
> At the same time that I am sympathetic to those who were offended by
> Tuvel's article, the kind of discomfort caused by feeling one's own
> experience squelched seems to me endemic to debate--especially in our
> relatively conservative discipline. Yes, this article marginalizes specific
> forms of lived experience--never mind the work emerging from those lived
> experiences--by virtue of turning it into a kind of intellectual puzzle
> that carefully works through a circumscribed problem from one angle. But
> even if this particular article might not have been my cup of tea, it
> seemed to me that the article was in keeping with the standards of our
> discipline. To exclude it from open debate where multiple viewpoints are
> included seems to me to be counter-productive. What Hypatia needs to do, in
> my opinion, is not exclude this kind of article, but make sure it includes
> other voices, styles, and approaches as well. I worry about silencing
> voices and I worry about policing voices that attempt to push our
> discipline in positive directions even if that direction may not appear to
> be "positive enough" according to our own sensibilities.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tamsin Lorraine
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:15 AM, kathy miriam <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John Flowers,
>> you write, "Even if, as Dr. Tirrell notes above, this letter was meant
>> to "scare and waste time and energy," and even if it is an elaborate hoax
>> as Dr. Scheman suggests, some of us do not have the luxury of treating it
>> as "exterior" to our future scholarship: I, as an example, have no choice
>> but to treat this as a cautionary tale for what might happen to me *should
>> I get scholarship wrong*, as a junior scholar."
>> Are you referring to the original letter or the recent letter? I"m
>> confused because while the women you refer to are talking about the recent
>> letter it seems a complete reversal to call *that* letter a "cautionary
>> tale" which hovers as a threat to juniors and minorities etc.rather than
>> the first. Can you clarify? thanks.
>>
>> The remarks here insisting that the original letter signed by 800
>> academics are a critique of the institution and not an attack on an
>> individual even though almost the entire focus of the letter is on an
>> individual scholar who is a junior seem disingenuous to say the least.
>> Everybody here knows how vulnerable Juniors are to quirks in tenure
>> committees let alone to such a full scale public excoriation. Indeed the
>> first letter is a pointed threat to juniors and other vulnerable academics
>> including grad students about not "getting scholarship wrong" --although
>> the reality is not about scholarship but ideology--not getting the ideology
>> wrong. In this case pro-trans and what many of us call pro-*gender*
>> ideology.
>>
>> I'm really surprised that nobody is addressing the chief issue of the
>> recent letter which is to cry out against censorship. Again it seems
>> disingenuous to call for more critical thinking rather than less (as Naomi
>> does) when the original letter is a project calling for *retracting* an
>> article rather than taking the usual tack of rebuttal. Why so drastic?
>>
>> I have more points to raise but I'll leave it here.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Kathy Miriam
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Abigail Klassen <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John and all,
>>> As a recent PhD myself, I just found myself saying in my head, "Wow,
>>> this man (John Flowers) has written what I wish I could have even begun to
>>> articulate in the privacy of my own head, let alone in a mass email." At
>>> least I managed to get that thought out "on paper" (i.e. as pixels on a
>>> screen).
>>> Thank you, John.
>>> -Abigail
>>>
>>> Dr. a.r. (Abigail/Abi) Klassen - pronouns: ze/they/theirs
>>> Faculty, Department of Philosophy and Honors College
>>> University of Nevada, Las Vegas, Central Desert Complex 4, 424
>>> Lab Affiliate, Laboratory for Perceptual and Cognitive Systems,
>>> Faculty of Computing
>>> University of Latvia
>>> [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> or
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> www.abigailklassen.com
>>>
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.abigailklassen.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=CThd0G_E86zibHo-0NXY0qisodZDPO2IQhA4eIvY8IQ&s=TB3LDbLqbSwoyrjEd8OEpKASGmVA7APRVf9VE2HH1To&e=>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:52 AM, John Flowers <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As one of the junior scholars on the list, I've been following this
>>>> conversation with interest, specifically with regards to how senior
>>>> scholars in the field take up their obligation to mentor and cultivate
>>>> junior scholars. In my mind, this also includes the *defense* of those
>>>> scholars from retaliation within and outside of the field.
>>>>
>>>> However, something about the direction of this conversation has
>>>> troubled me, and I think this troubled sensation can be summed up in a
>>>> quotation from Sara Ahmed's text *Living A Feminist Life* which I
>>>> think is apropos of the situation:
>>>>
>>>> *"When we have to think strategically, we also have to accept our
>>>> complicity: we forgo any illusions of purity; we give up the safety of
>>>> exteriority. If we are not exterior to the problem under investigation, we
>>>> too are the problem under investigation." *
>>>>
>>>> We are all implicated in the situation that has given rise to the
>>>> letter above (which, as a black junior scholar, is a frightening reality),
>>>> as well as the need for conversations about the editorial practices of
>>>> Hypatia, and the response of our field to Tuvel's article, and we must all
>>>> look at how we *allowed* this to happen within our own community. That
>>>> is, we must all examine the ways we bear some collective responsibility for
>>>> the situation, and then do the hard work to change it.
>>>>
>>>> Again, as Ahmed says, we need to give up the "safety of exteriority" if
>>>> we're going to make any actual headway at eliminating the conditions that
>>>> allowed for this situation to arise in the first place. We need to ask how
>>>> we, as a community of scholars, created the conditions for this entire
>>>> situation to arise, and that requires us to accept some responsibility for
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Even if, as Dr. Tirrell notes above, this letter was meant to "scare
>>>> and waste time and energy," and even if it is an elaborate hoax as Dr.
>>>> Scheman suggests, some of us do not have the luxury of treating it as
>>>> "exterior" to our future scholarship: I, as an example, have no choice but
>>>> to treat this as a cautionary tale for what might happen to me *should
>>>> I get scholarship wrong*, as a junior scholar.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, while I agree with Dr. Springer on the need for
>>>> individual conversations, we must not forget that statements from
>>>> institutions (and I would treat Hypatia and FEAST itself as institutions)
>>>> generally carry the weight of the individuals who make up those
>>>> institutions. While individual conversations are necessary, statements from
>>>> institutions, *supported by action*, are also necessary.
>>>>
>>>> An institutional commitment to resolving a this situation in a way that
>>>> promotes the elimination of the kinds of conditions that have given rise to
>>>> this situation is something that can be used to hold not only the
>>>> institution accountable, but those individuals who claim to be part of the
>>>> institution as well. However, as I said above, a institution must be
>>>> willing to support said statement with action (which is something I also
>>>> claim of individuals) if the statement is to be effective.
>>>>
>>>> I do want to conclude by stating that I am heartened by the number of
>>>> responses to the letter that pointed out its attempts to target vulnerable
>>>> junior scholars: many of my colleagues have expressed concern about
>>>> weighing in on the situation out of fear that they, too, might become
>>>> targets before they've managed to establish themselves within the field.
>>>>
>>>> John Flowers
>>>> Ph.D Candidate,
>>>> Southern Illinois University, Carbondale.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Reiheld, Alison <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the work involved in tracking down the provosts and admins is a
>>>>> remarkable investment. And, so far as I can tell, an accurate one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I look forward to a conversation with my Provost about how
>>>>> my concerns over the Hypatia issues (as symptomatic of the profession, but
>>>>> hoping for much better from our beloved flagship journal of feminist
>>>>> philosophy) undermine the study of female materiality and women's issues in
>>>>> the academy. I mean, speaking as the Director of Women's Studies, this
>>>>> seems like a serious problem that the Provost and I should take up with
>>>>> Prof. Reiheld.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alison
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Alison Reiheld
>>>>> Associate Professor, Department of Philosophy
>>>>> Director, Women's Studies Program
>>>>> College of Arts and Sciences
>>>>> Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siue.academia.edu_AlisonReiheld&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=WDzSzHqNFZXBIOMXmC-XmCV2V-k6qLp6N1yFu6XB8qk&s=78PWWUHVzlze8ZlFjXaYhw0I8sPw9F3YRy6Pgyb0ZBU&e=
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siue.academia.edu_AlisonReiheld&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=N7HjC8sTkL-P07ndX8XZxHvZsrhs0gucwhW-zudsYe0&s=dsSaeJmJxGJIBkg1kV2-QCY8fbtgS1CsT-XGCmm7-Lk&e=>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Feminist ethics and social theory <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> on behalf of Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:34:19 PM
>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: open letter
>>>>>
>>>>> The only signatories' names that looked at all familiar to me were Ted
>>>>> Roosevelt and Adam Smith. But the letter specifically says they are not all
>>>>> academics, let alone philosophers, so I don't know if it's a hoax or rather
>>>>> a piece of nastily sophisticated trolling. And someone did a huge amount of
>>>>> work tracking down the provosts at the universities of all the signers of
>>>>> our open letter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naomi Scheman
>>>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies
>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Lynne Tirrell <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if this is a hoax. Did others look at the signatures?
>>>>> Do you know anyone? Only a few have institutional affiliations, and I don't
>>>>> recognize a single name. I don't know everyone in philosophy, of course,
>>>>> but NONE??
>>>>>
>>>>> This is meant to scare and waste time and energy. I'm walking away.
>>>>> But thank you to everyone who has posted useful analyses.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Also, my last note was marked a possible fraud on my own iPad, I'm
>>>>> not sure why.sorry if you got that too. )
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynne Tirrell
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:23 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Julianna - Are you sure you provost signed it? They set it up so that
>>>>> the people they are sending it *to* look like the people who signed
>>>>> it. I think your provost is on there because you signed the original letter
>>>>> and they are trying to rat everyone out to their provosts, because they are
>>>>> rancid pond scum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rebecca
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Julinna Oxley <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to Rebecca, Camisha, Serene, Ann, and others who I may have
>>>>>> missed, for your thoughts. I am in complete agreement with the points you
>>>>>> raise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am writing with a “heads up” to anyone who signed the letter: take
>>>>>> caution. My Provost has signed this letter, which means they did
>>>>>> circulate the letter to upper administrators. I have a chair and a dean
>>>>>> between me and the provost; the provost is the highest person that I would
>>>>>> “directly report” to. I am not sure whether this letter was sent to my
>>>>>> Dean. To be clear, I did not agree with everything in the original letter
>>>>>> to Hypatia, but agreed with its spirit, and signed on in order to support
>>>>>> the people whose work and lives I felt were erased in the Hypatia essay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am shocked that:
>>>>>> (a) this matter has been brought to the awareness of my EMPLOYER. The
>>>>>> original letter which I signed was addressed to Hypatia, as it was an
>>>>>> academic matter. It was not an employment matter. But now my participation
>>>>>> in an academic debate has become a subject of my employment. Great.
>>>>>> (b) the letter my employer received framing this debate is completely
>>>>>> one-sided, and has the faults that others have identified.
>>>>>> (c) the signatories of this counter-letter do not recognize the irony
>>>>>> of their own actions with respect to harm, speech, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am grateful that I am tenured and have a good working relationship
>>>>>> with my Provost (at least I did up until now, I hope he did not receive an
>>>>>> email saying, “Julinna Oxley is a witch-hunter, you should step in
>>>>>> here”!!). My provost is a Business professor by training and I reported to
>>>>>> him when I directed our Women’s and Gender Studies program. During that
>>>>>> time he was very supportive and open to learning more about gender and
>>>>>> feminism, gave us more lines to grow the program—and in fact, we just hired
>>>>>> a full-time director to replace me. I personally am not worried about my
>>>>>> employment (though I wonder now what his impressions of me and this whole
>>>>>> debacle are), but I am pretty irate that they did this, because it could be
>>>>>> really harmful for other people who may have signed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will not be writing or signing yet a third letter to circulate to
>>>>>> the employers of the signatories of THIS LETTER – but the thought did cross
>>>>>> my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In solidarity,
>>>>>> Julinna
>>>>>> * —— Julinna C. Oxley, Ph.D. *Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>>>>> Coastal Carolina University
>>>>>> Edwards Humanities and Fine Arts #280
>>>>>> 133 Chanticleer Drive West
>>>>>> P.O. Box 261954
>>>>>> Conway SC 29528
>>>>>> (843) 349-6548
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__joxley-40coastal.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=KfVDTAp8SMAq3DDX3VV7hy7cACxXi36mA2G_T8_c5hU&s=KNx8KSc1VQ-eR0cUaTjwsx_MIlc8XoG7SLECCMo201Y&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Feminist ethics and social theory <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> on behalf of Serene Khader <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Date: Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 8:52 PM
>>>>>> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: open letter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking as an individual (and not as a representative of Hypatia), I
>>>>>> want to agree with the concerns raised Ann, Naomi, Rebecca, and Camisha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also want to draw attention to something that Rebecca already
>>>>>> started to, but that may not be evident to many readers at first blush: the
>>>>>> letter is TERFy. Point 3 is all about how "feelings about gender" are
>>>>>> making it impossible to talk about sex. So, though the letter paints itself
>>>>>> as a defense of academic freedom, I urge people to take note of what is
>>>>>> being said in that section of the letter. As far as I can tell, the letter
>>>>>> is trying to create outrage about the idea that trans people are silencing
>>>>>> "females" and preventing feminist movements from advancing their interests.
>>>>>> And I would hope that most people in the feminist philosophy community
>>>>>> would find that proposition false and morally suspect--and that those of us
>>>>>> who are cis would consider the interests and perspectives of our trans
>>>>>> friends and colleagues as we formulate our individual reactions to the
>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Lynne Tirrell <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Ann and think Naomi and Rebecca are right on. Thanks
>>>>>>> especially, Naomi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynne
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad, by dictation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Ann Garry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i'm coming to this only after seeing a number of responses. Let's
>>>>>>> not give these people any more publicity. Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The more I am processing this the angrier I am getting. So they are
>>>>>>>> sending this stupid letter to the provosts and deans of untenured people,
>>>>>>>> trans and other minority scholars, and grad students who signed -
>>>>>>>> presumably to get them in trouble? To fuck up their lives? To what end? How
>>>>>>>> does this even conceivably help the causes that they themselves claim to
>>>>>>>> champion? What the hell?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And they are using THIS LIST to try to get feminist scholars to
>>>>>>>> throw vulnerable people under the bus at their own institutions, quite
>>>>>>>> possibly without even noticing that that's what they are doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With Naomi's clarification I am now about a thousand times more
>>>>>>>> angry and disgusted than I was at the start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rebecca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't understand the list either! Weird! Thanks, Naomi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree with several others on this thread that (even though I
>>>>>>>>> started it) a back and forth over email is unlikely to be a wonderful idea,
>>>>>>>>> and things will only get more and more meta. The more I read this letter
>>>>>>>>> the worse it gets, It's TERFy and ignorant and doing even Tuvel herself no
>>>>>>>>> favors. I'm pretty furious it exists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll just once more renew my call for people to actually work on
>>>>>>>>> these issues and on communicating and listening better.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rebecca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick note lest anyone make the mistake I made: the list
>>>>>>>>>> of names at the bottom of the open letter are the addressees, not the
>>>>>>>>>> signers!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Naomi Scheman
>>>>>>>>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality
>>>>>>>>>> Studies
>>>>>>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, NOELLE MCAFEE <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree 100 percent with Rebecca. Let's just stop tearing the
>>>>>>>>>> feminist philosophy community apart. Enough with letters, petitions,
>>>>>>>>>> defensiveness, and attacks. We need to think constructively about editorial
>>>>>>>>>> practices going forward. Feminists ought to understand that if a group of
>>>>>>>>>> colleagues are deeply offended by something then we all need to take notice
>>>>>>>>>> and be honest and charitable and try to appreciate what is going on. This
>>>>>>>>>> may call for a conference to sort it out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So people are angry about an open letter that they felt attacked
>>>>>>>>>> a junior person so they thought the best solution was yet another open
>>>>>>>>>> letter attacking what was mostly junior people? This has to stop somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>> And this affair has to be allowed to die already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't sign the first letter and I am not signing this one
>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People need to stop trying to settle their academic and political
>>>>>>>>>> disagreements via open letters designed to publicly shame by ganging up on
>>>>>>>>>> other people. It's not even clear what action item this one is calling for.
>>>>>>>>>> (The article is already being published, with only tiny word changes to
>>>>>>>>>> bring it in line with current linguistic conventions that avoid slurs, and
>>>>>>>>>> the other two items are too vague to be actionable.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The issues in this area are super important, so let's actually
>>>>>>>>>> work on them, rather than devoting our productive hours to
>>>>>>>>>> metametametacritiques.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rebecca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal <
>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julian Vigo ([log in to unmask]) asked me to forward the
>>>>>>>>>>> following message to the FEAST listserv.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Andrea Veltman
>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Philosophy & Religion
>>>>>>>>>>> James Madison University
>>>>>>>>>>> MSC 8006
>>>>>>>>>>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807
>>>>>>>>>>> Office phone: 540-568-4236 <(540)%20568-4236>
>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My latest book, *Meaningful Work*, is recently published by
>>>>>>>>>>> Oxford University Press:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=WDzSzHqNFZXBIOMXmC-XmCV2V-k6qLp6N1yFu6XB8qk&s=w7QIahI1J8_hwHwIOAdrt3CDrgaXI1t0nWfvWYjGv9Y&e=
>>>>>>>>>>> 190618179?cc=us&lang=en&
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780190618179-3Fcc-3Dus-26lang-3Den-26&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=LOV-2yxVfBhZ6rrELChk7V70HvBgW6zEshQ0UIKg7j4&s=HYce-eGOp33z007rPm2X5TNGaDb6rEQYz0bS3UosSqI&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Julian Vigo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* open letter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am writing to ask if you could sign & share this open letter
>>>>>>>>>>> to protect academic freedom related to the Tuvel affair with consequences
>>>>>>>>>>> far beyond:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=WDzSzHqNFZXBIOMXmC-XmCV2V-k6qLp6N1yFu6XB8qk&s=W75zuvpykEtoTxECzTDRPy-Wb9ICHB-0bmTFm9ybhlI&e=
>>>>>>>>>>> patia-controversy
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhypatia-2Dcontroversy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=pD1LC8iUB_9BolWVjp5mQO6Efu7JLE3SBBQChsLBQFA&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your collaboration in signing and sharing this on social media,
>>>>>>>>>>> with colleagues and the Listserv would be creating appreciated!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julian Vigo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>>>>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Julian Vigo, PhD, FRSA
>>>>>>>>>>> www.lubellule.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lubellule.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=lb2KP3tV7dUGoMg0KrnwvFGHaQbKDzIfW2DnaflwlMc&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <dragonfly.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> linkedin
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__uk.linkedin.com_pub_julian-2Dvigo-2Dphd_18_b24_5a5&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=Brg7Suwas2mQYJTX_opKLW3fHp-Z0fjtr4S546HlciE&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> aboutme
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> twitter
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.twitter.com_lubelluledotcom&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=1tZr6fcqe5sG1BFlSuI6Jnynvj_55RCbV3YTleKhSTA&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>> google+
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plus.google.com_u_0_114965595632445402873&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=YCmrjJh7nOwd7aieUW7wEml27zyKNbRHRCKGBIHc71s&e=>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> *Ann Garry *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.calstatela.edu_faculty_ann-2Dgarry&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=WDzSzHqNFZXBIOMXmC-XmCV2V-k6qLp6N1yFu6XB8qk&s=TvyQAb44GYAslG1Bgy1cVTUhhSJWqJDhJM5YUFxytgY&e=
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.calstatela.edu_faculty_ann-2Dgarry&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=Z0jpcXz_SIj8ix7TiUOVIxUrOTXkcsipb33sxSZ5VaQ&s=uUbq8Yj2IHHCPIVYYAG1KXxfS5mMzPKwVqp57Zlw6hA&e=>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>> Serene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Serene J. Khader, Ph.D
>>>>>> Jay Newman Chair in Philosophy of Culture
>>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy, Brooklyn College
>>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy and Women's Studies, CUNY Graduate
>>>>>> Center
>>>>>> pronouns: she/her/hers
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>>>>>> www.serenekhader.com
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