Hear, hear! I'm happy to see this thread and recommend the readings Diana mentioned.
Best,
Susan
On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Meyers, Diana wrote:
> I havenıt been able to follow every bit of this conversation, but I hope
> Iım not repeating earlier posts. Some feminist philosophers have started
> discussing age/aging. Margaret Walker edited a collection on aging called
> Mother Time (Rowman and Littlefield), and my collection Being Yourself
> (Rowman and Littlefield) includes a chapter called ³Feminine Mortality
> Imagery: Feminist Riposts.² I hope there will be lots more work maybe a
> future Hypatia special issue on women and aging. Best, Diana
> **************************************
> Diana Tietjens Meyers
> Professor Emerita of Philosophy
> University of Connecticut, Storrs
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> http://dianatietjensmeyers.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/23/14, 2:07 PM, "Alison Reiheld" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Folks:
>>
>> I would be interested in seeing more philosophical work on age and
>> ageing, along
>> the lines of what Judy is considering.
>>
>> One thing that got me thinking about this lately, along with
>> heteronormativity
>> and gender/sex dichotomy and pronatalism and granting full moral status
>> to the
>> fetus and biological parenting, is the following "stages of life" my
>> kindergartener recently informed me about which they had learned during a
>> Health unit: first you grow in your mommy's belly, then you are born,
>> then you
>> are a baby, then a boy or a girl, then a teenager, then an adult, then a
>> mommy
>> or a daddy, then an elder, and then you die.
>>
>> There is a lot to work with there.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alison
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Alison Reiheld
>> Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy
>> College of Arts and Sciences
>> SIU-Edwardsville
>> [log in to unmask]
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Quoting Judy Andre <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> A first, basic, point: Everyone has "age," just as everyone has race,
>>> culture, and gender. Age is a relational term, but a largely
>>> untheorized one.
>>> That's what I'm after.
>>>
>>> Questions of justice arises immediately: Are some parts of the life span
>>> privileged at the expense of others? See Toni Calasanti et al on that
>>> question.
>>>
>>> But I'm after something else: the last stage of life in our own culture
>>> lacks
>>> meaning. There are no ideals, obligations, responsibilities; few
>>> rights; no
>>> initiation ceremonies. Could/should that be different? If so, in what
>>> relationship to other stages of life? Sentient biological beings are
>>> aware of
>>> their place on a spectrum, and that awareness is part of their
>>> self-understanding.
>>>
>>> I should have mentioned that Peg Simons has also worked on these
>>> questions,
>>> drawing from Beauvoir's La Vieillesse.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ann Ferguson [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:49 PM
>>> To: Judy Andre
>>> Cc: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Older philosophers
>>>
>>> Hi, like Judy I just added myself to the Women of Philosophy website
>>> after
>>> feeling momentarily vanished when I didnt see my name there. I
>>> understand
>>> why retired and non-academically affiliated women philosophers were not
>>> originally included--we are often not as present on the web in official
>>> websites run by the academy, and tend not to have our own personal
>>> websites
>>> because of the hassle of learning how to set one up as an older person
>>> not
>>> familiar with the technology or even having some self-doubts about what
>>> her
>>> "career" means and should be pursued as a thinker. For example, I have
>>> given
>>> up trying to post my bibliography of books and articles on the Phil
>>> Papers
>>> website because it is too frustrating to figure out! A problem of how
>>> some
>>> people age (including me) I guess.
>>>
>>> Regarding ageing as a philosophical topic I agree that we could use
>>> more
>>> feminist philosophical analysis of it as an issue. I am not aware of
>>> much
>>> that has been done since Marilyn Pearsall's excellent work in the
>>> 1980s. But
>>> it is an issue I personally shy away from because it is not part of my
>>> central understanding of myself and I dont want to be pigeon-holed as an
>>> "old" feminist philosopher, which tends to imply that I have insights
>>> about
>>> the past of feminist theory and philosophy but not much to offer about
>>> current issues and developments in feminist theory. After all there
>>> have
>>> been several "turns" in feminist theory and philosophy since I wrote
>>> most of
>>> my original feminist theory, and for awhile it felt like postmodern and
>>> poststructuralist feminist theory had dissed my type of materialist
>>> feminist
>>> theory as old-fashioned (cf. Nicholson, ed Feminism/Postmodernism,
>>> 1990 or
>>> so). I see the "old-fashioned" label as an ad-hominem, and
>>> wrong-headed,
>>> since in my view theory production does not move in a linear direction
>>> but
>>> more in a spiral type fashion.
>>>
>>> Maybe others dont feel that way, but I would be interested to hear the
>>> personal resonances of both older feminist philosophers to this identity
>>> question and also of youngers to how they think of older thinkers.
>>>
>>> Ann Ferguson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Judy Andre
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Thanks to all who created the Women in Philosophy list; I've just added
>>> myself, and it was as easy as promised. I chose to call myself
>>> "emerita," but
>>> it's probably true that "independent scholar" gets more respect.
>>>
>>> Which leads to my real point. As some of the anguished responses from
>>> older
>>> women philosophers indicated, there is important political work to be
>>> done
>>> about inclusiveness and age. There is also a great deal of interesting
>>> *philosophical* work to be done (of course the personal, political, and
>>> philosophical intersect), and some of us have started to do it. Hats
>>> off to
>>> Kate Lindeman, who has been a pioneer in the area.
>>>
>>> I would be glad to share what I am doing, and I think Kate would be as
>>> well.
>>> Let's get together and help clear this new land.
>>>
>>> From: Feminist ethics and social theory
>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf
>>> of Joan
>>> Callahan [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:47 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched!
>>>
>>> Dear Sally,
>>>
>>> In response to the comments on Emerita by Eva et al. -- I must say that
>>> when
>>> I checked the list, I felt I had become a vapor.
>>>
>>> As you might realize, I well know what kind of work goes into an effort
>>> like
>>> this, Sally, and I mean no criticism. This is an enormous
>>> contribution. I
>>> really know of no one else who has done as much as you have done, not
>>> only as
>>> a remarkable, theoretically groundbreaking feminist scholar, but at
>>> least as
>>> importantly as a smart, loving, and effective colleague in fostering
>>> professionally and personally the community of feminist philosophers.
>>> We are
>>> all in your debt and will forever remain so.
>>>
>>> So my comments are exclusively about this latest contribution, which I
>>> DO
>>> understand is a work in progress. Please take them as just trying to
>>> make it
>>> the best it might be.
>>>
>>> I am SURE you know that there are still many of us, formally retired
>>> now, who
>>> do try to continue to "pitch in," which is putting it MUCH too mildly
>>> for so
>>> many who continue to "produce" major philosophical work (think of
>>> Lorraine
>>> Code, for example) at an astounding level, as well as work out of the
>>> professional public eye continuing supporting students, as well as other
>>> matters too numerous to mention.
>>>
>>> Please, then, could whoever is putting this together try to get us old
>>> folks
>>> included and KEEP getting us included without having to personally add
>>> ourselves in? More of us continue to retire. Please don't forget us.
>>>
>>> I also VERY STRONGLY suggest that having a formal emeritus status
>>> should be
>>> let go immediately.
>>>
>>> There are some very, very fine independent scholars who have chosen that
>>> route for a variety of reasons, and have made SUBSTANTIAL contributions
>>> to
>>> philosophy, including feminist philosophy (and often continue to do so)
>>> --
>>> Helen Bequaert Holmes comes quickly to mind as one major example.
>>> Given her
>>> remarkable early work on feminsit bioethics, it is untinkable to me
>>> that she
>>> would not be most enthusically included in an inaugural version of
>>> "Women of
>>> Philosophy."
>>>
>>> Forgive me, please. But, then of course, I know you will.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> Joan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Eva Kittay
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> It was not because there were emeritus that they were not on. The list
>>> was I
>>> guess just a way to get this going. I was left out as were all my
>>> colleagues
>>> at SBU. I have just urged everyone to sign themselves in. It is a
>>> very good
>>> thing to have. So I join my thanks to those of others. But it would
>>> help if
>>> people were alerted that the list was still a work in progress with
>>> respect
>>> to its comprehensiveness. It's clear however that you are welcome to
>>> add
>>> yourself or others.
>>> Best, Eva
>>>
>>> Eva Feder Kittay
>>> Distinguished Professor of Philosophy
>>> Stony Brook University
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> 212-333-4670<tel:212-333-4670>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Meyers, Diana"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My sample is limited, but almost all the emerita philosophers I know are
>>> women currently working in philosophy. Those who donıt feel they
>>> belong on
>>> the list because theyıve lost interest in teaching and/or writing can
>>> opt
>>> out, I imagine. Thanks so much, Sally and volunteers, for compiling
>>> this
>>> list. Best, Diana
>>> **************************************
>>> Diana Tietjens Meyers
>>> Professor Emerita of Philosophy
>>> University of Connecticut, Storrs
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> http://dianatietjensmeyers.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Linda Lopez McAlister
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Reply-To: Society for Women in Philosophy Information and Discussion
>>> List
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM
>>> To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched!
>>>
>>> It's a bit confusing, Sally, since the page itself says "women currently
>>> working in philosophy".
>>>
>>> Linda Lopez McAlister
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Sally Haslanger" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:34:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched!
>>>
>>> Hi Tangren:
>>> There are many emerita on the list already so please add yourself! An
>>> emerita faculty member is a faculty member!
>>> Best, Sally
>>>
>>>
>> **************************************************************************
>> *****************
>>> Please note: I am on sabbatical this term. If I have not been prompt in
>>> responding to your email, it is because I'm really trying to remember
>>> how to
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>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Sally Haslanger
>>> Professor of Philosophy and Women's and Gender Studies
>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>> http://sallyhaslanger.weebly.com
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Tangren Alexander
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>>> As an Emerita Professor, I'm wondering why we retired women are not =
>>> represented.
>>> No need to answer, but please think about it.
>>> Best,
>>> Tangren Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Sally Haslanger wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all:
>>>
>>> I would like to let you know about a new directory of women =
>>> philosophers. It can be found at:
>>>
>>> www.womenofphilosophy.com<http://www.womenofphilosophy.com>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a crowd-sourced database searchable by 1) name, 2) school, 3) =
>>> faculty position, 4) areas of specialization, 5) primary research =
>>> interests, and 6) geographical location. It currently contains over 650
>>> =
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>>> across the world. As it stands, the listing is far from comprehensive, =
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>>> =
>>> the database up-to-date and as comprehensive as possible.=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Women with a Ph.D. in philosophy holding a faculty position (e.g., =
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>>> under the =91Submit=92 tab. Please use that tab to add yourself if you =
>>> are not currently listed. We invite anyone to submit a name, including =
>>> names of women in philosophy outside of the U.S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The database should be an invaluable resource for conference
>>> organizers, =
>>> editors, hiring committees, and anyone interested in learning more
>>> about =
>>> the work of women in the profession. Please spread the word!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy! Sally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Work to produce this database was completed by a team of volunteers. =
>>> Thanks to the Committee on the Status of Women and MIT for their =
>>> support, and to all those who have contributed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =
>>>
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>>> comprehensive, and we are relying on the goodwill of members of the =
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