I couldn't agree more with all the comments about the dynamics of
manipulation, the staggering impact it is having on most all 'tiers' of
society, and especially that we must, if we are to seriously say that we
possess a more mature and developed consciousness, approach those enchanted
by Trump's psychopathy with understanding, empathy, and a sincere respect.
Indeed regardless how much more or less evolved we are the golden rule of
treating others the way we want to be treated stands strong as a sort of
perennial philosophy of morality and kindness. It may be hard at times, but
it is never complicated.
Lene,
I may not vote for president, which in my state of Illinois is as close a
sure thing for Biden as it can get, but I will certainly vote still for
local and small gov't.
Regards,
Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020, 3:01 AM Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Cory,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to present your analysis of the manipulation
> process and then an elaboration of the antidote. The 60 - 70% number you
> cite is particularly striking to me. Also, I much appreciate your call for
> authenticity and egalitarianism in relationships. I also agree that
> "laying it all out" is the most worthwhile way for us to interact, because
> then people have the opportunity to consent to whatever the relationship,
> experience, or exchange is about.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 12:25 AM Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nicholas,
>>
>> How about taking one for the team and vote anyway to prevent fascism in
>> the US and to keep your voting rights?
>>
>> Keeping rule of law is not that bad either, if you think it through.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lene
>> On 03-10-2020 16:30, Nicholas Lattanzio wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Having browsed through some of your comments, I figured I'd add my say.
>>
>> I don't think Trump is an immoralist or an amoralist, I believe he has a
>> sense of morals that is very vague and susceptable to the influence of
>> others and that is also selectively self-serving, at least in a way that he
>> can twist an actual moral's relevance to evince his claims and resolve any
>> dissonance he experiences.
>>
>> I watched most of the primary debates and this past week's presidential
>> debate. While Chris Wallace was certainly biased in favor of Biden (I would
>> be to considering Trumps history of demeaning Wallace), I did not see
>> nearly the level of cognitive decline in Biden I had thought I'd seen
>> before. I want to bring more attention to this last point here. While of
>> course people experience cognitive decline can have more lucid days and
>> times of day than their baseline, they typically decline in a way that
>> prohibits any higher levels of function that have been lost already (I.e.,
>> they really don't get much better, the best we can do in most cases is slow
>> the decline). What I saw in the presidential debate was not a cognitively
>> declining Biden, it made me reconsider how much decompensation has actually
>> occurred.
>>
>> Biden has always been a stutterer, his entire life and political career.
>> So we cannot use that as a solid measure of his mental status (at least in
>> the sense that his stuttering has not worsened much in recent years). Most
>> of the apparent mental interference Biden seemed to be experiencing was,
>> from a scientifically-minded approach, most likely caused by Trump speaking
>> over him, which is further demonstrated by Biden's clear concerted efforts
>> to focus on speaking to Wallace and tune out Trump. Of course with both
>> candidates being the age they are, we know that their crystallized
>> knowledge is what they're leaning on the most, as their fluid intelligence
>> is waning, so a level of cognitive decline is to be expected. All in all
>> any assertion of Biden's incompetence due to cognitive decline is not
>> founded by any evidence known to the public (if independent cognitive
>> assessment has occurred, we don't know about it).
>>
>> Personally, I don't want to vote for either one, they both represent
>> parties that are ultimately owned by the same people, and as long as that
>> is the case we won't see true change regardless of the candidate elected.
>> This is perhaps the most salient area in our societal infrastructure that
>> is set to change with the value-oriented shift that comes part and parcel
>> to the 5th joint point in Gregg's TOK. Keeping our focus on that shift is,
>> IMO, more important than softening the blow of whoever comes out of this
>> election on top (which will likely only speed up the shift itself).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 4:56 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Poster boy for the autistic dark triad?
>>>
>>> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
>>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>>> 503.631.8044
>>>
>>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> To borrow from Trump's communication style himself, I've heard many
>>> people say it is highly accurate to call him an autistic psychopath
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 2:06 PM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Niquie,
>>>>
>>>> Would it then be right to claim Trump as amoralist, Bidne as immoralist
>>>> or vice-versa?
>>>>
>>>> TY
>>>> DL
>>>> On 10/3/2020 12:26 AM, Niquie Dworkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An amoralist does not believe in morals, an immoralist delights in
>>>> transgressing.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:29 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At the very least, Lene.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
>>>>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>>>>> 503.631.8044
>>>>>
>>>>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a very good comment, but isn't Trump an amoralist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Lene
>>>>> On 02-10-2020 17:09, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am traveling but wanted to take the time to share this op Ed
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>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>
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