I actually just caught this email and watched the interview. Like you Andre, I was following their conversation in great depth and can't say I learned much, but still a great interview (Ken doesn't tend to look so lively since he broke his legs, but he looked good in this). I believe you and I have a difference of opinion when it comes to our ontologies, as I almost always concede to a nondual reality in discussions and my own logic. I definitely agree Wilber loses many people with his sort of cockiness. In his defense he mainly lives in his ILP world wherein he is pretty much worshipped, I can't imagine how hard it would be to be extroverted and have that kind of following without coming off as he does. As a fan of Wilber, I'd like to think that is the truest explanation. But while I'm sure it contributes I think the man is really just that sure of himself, a certainty that's been wielded by far worse hands. Regards, Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 10:18 AM Marquis, Andre <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Hey friend, > > I watched about the first 25 minutes. I am very familiar with what they > were talking about but I still don’t like what comes off to me as a smug > certainty about REALITY > > What was your experience of the interview? > > dre > > > > *From: *tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of "Henriques, Gregg - > henriqgx" <[log in to unmask]> > *Reply-To: *tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> > *Date: *Friday, November 20, 2020 at 4:37 PM > *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject: *[EXT] wilber freke > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DmL8aL7fhyPI&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZQVUkK2Rr3sX-UQcTtSjPZNcymD8pCvSyDnQASdwAZ8&s=lRGmvBhyVOhdszoo1xzURINTldsDRM8VAERTzUiHE5A&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DmL8aL7fhyPI&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=4nIBBNRljdIDKQ9Xxvfd4qmyiBJ-muo9FfswWnVb_4U&s=I-TSsk-HYH97gbBCbNYZknwY2fOeaEOfjPdhojm7z5o&e=> > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. > Professor > Department of Graduate Psychology > 216 Johnston Hall > MSC 7401 > James Madison University > Harrisonburg, VA 22807 > (540) 568-7857 (phone) > (540) 568-4747 (fax) > > > *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* > > Check out the Unified Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZQVUkK2Rr3sX-UQcTtSjPZNcymD8pCvSyDnQASdwAZ8&s=7THd4lPEMz0GWlBUAhZIzqj2NdWHG9ICI8MeMxjTZAA&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwMFAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=fAX9xBiqC7Jpwi5bcf42BpKio-w7hhMYFN9VxTHChls&m=BYw4xZ3wkoWbQiFuI5_NJYVTQeVz9FqymAA8E7avdh4&s=2Q7NsgEafOH4VSq8h2oPDwS02yykNtPUZdL0tO8-TlM&e=> > > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.jmu.edu_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FSUBED1-3DTOK-2DSOCIETY-2DL-26A-3D1&d=DwMFAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=fAX9xBiqC7Jpwi5bcf42BpKio-w7hhMYFN9VxTHChls&m=BYw4xZ3wkoWbQiFuI5_NJYVTQeVz9FqymAA8E7avdh4&s=gMc71EJwr6MzY406jUO9TDyIh3paUAXwcYDwJBTpuz0&e=> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1