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Alexander Bard <[log in to unmask]>
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Dear Jason

I would say this is an excellent summary of basic rhetorics. Please notice
how askers are often most comfortable with other askers and declarers most
comfortable with other declarers so support is needed when the two
categories clash and need to communicate directly with each other. For
example in a corporate board room where both types are often needed. Or an
a constructive mailing list.

Evolutionarily speaking, the askers are of course developed to allign with
mythos and the declarers to align with logos. You prefer the askers over a
dinner table conversation in the evening but you prefer the declarers when
you attend an academic speech in the morning to succeed with your
development plan. Which proves how important it is to set out goals and
ambitions for dicussions and social activities before they get started. Is
it mythos or logos that takes us where we want to get here?

Best intentions
Alexander Bard

Den fre 18 okt. 2019 kl 01:49 skrev nysa71 <
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> Hello ToK community,
>
> I was curious if there was, by any chance, anything in psychology (or
> maybe even sociology or philosophy) that folks here are aware of, (e.g.,
> theory, research, etc.), that might resemble the following dichotomy. (It
> seems like there could be some loose correspondence to justification here,
> as well).
>
> Just something I read about recently. Curious to know if this sort of
> dichotomy could have any usefulness.
>
> *"Askers"*
>
>
>    1. tendency to dialogue
>    2. much of what an asker says seems more question-like, even statements
>    3. always, as the other person talks, affirm the receipt of
>    information with yeah, mhm, etc.
>    4. motive of communication is external
>    5. can talk to an audience as a whole very well
>    6. starts talking at times expecting someone to get interested and
>    start paying attention
>    7. has a tendency to interrupt and feels comfortable pausing half way
>    on the speech and with "questions allowed all the time" way, returning to
>    what was said later if necessary
>    8. quite often asks a non-rhetorical question and answers it himself
>    9. often just asks questions to fill in time, without serious need to
>    actually find the information asked
>
>
> *"Declarers"*
>
>    1. tendency to monologue
>    2. much of what a declarer says seems more statement-like, even
>    questions
>    3. listens attentively and silently to others' speeches to return to a
>    long speech
>    4. motive of communication is internal
>    5. finds it easier to talk to one person at a time
>    6. before starting to talk, first ascertains that attention is grabbed
>    7. is very patient in terms of others speeches in terms of letting
>    finish
>    8. prefers to finish the speech before letting others talk, likes
>    closure and that their point was conveyed
>    9. questions are often either rhetorical or only strictly motivated by
>    serious need for certain information
>
>
> ~ Jason Bessey
>
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