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James Lyons-Weiler <[log in to unmask]>
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tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]>
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A proposal:

I sense a Big Shift underway here.  Reaching the masses will take
consistent effort.

I'd like to propose a four-to-six person revolving *Intentional
Consciousness Expansion *
podcast, say, 2 hrs every 2 weeks.  Four core people on the screen at once,
sometimes 1 or 2 more.

My platform can host any number of podcasts (via  WWDNYK - What We Do Not
Yet Know) - studios.
No fee, but we'll pitch https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__patreon.com_WWDNYK&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=ht13a2TaWUR8pHErfx4YopbzDYV9wm_DbC-J7MxJYPc&e=  to help keep to lights on.

If we start with four core people we can occasionally add a few more.
Round-robin discussion
on the main topic of the day.  And related issues.  This community can make
a list of topics and well go at them.

Society's hurting, let's put a little ICE on it. Call it ICE. or Big
Shift.  Your call on the name of the podcast,
I'd be happy to host a few to work out the kinks and then fall into the
background and re-emerge if I think I have
something worth adding.

I cannot believe I'm adding more to my calendar, but I have a sense this is
a good thing.

Let me know!

JLW



On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 5:11 PM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
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> Thank you for this comment, Manuel. I very much agree that one of the keys
> that was overlooked is the relationship between language,
> self-consciousness adds key confusions. I also wish he was clear that the
> only clear examples of consciousness we have are things that are first
> alive, so it really is more how Matter becomes Life becomes conscious.
>
>
>
> Also, let me extend a warm welcome to Manuel Manga, as he recently joined
> the list. Manuel and I had a truly wonderful conversation the other week.
> He has a magnificent and crucial vision for “evolutionary leadership
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__evolutionleader.com_pages_manuel-2Dmanga_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=HwG5mt4DrdLeucFE8trq4pm5tJfMlovGdzJeJbkZjdE&e= >”, which is desperately
> needed in this time between worlds. His humanistic/spiritual/scientific
> vision is very congruent with the ToK System and larger Unified Theory Of
> Knowledge and I am thrilled he has joined our community. It is worth noting
> that he worked with Humberto Maturana, who, along with Francisco Valera.
> wrote the ground breaking book,  *The Tree of Knowledge: The Biological
> Roots of Human Understanding
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Tree-2DKnowledge-2DBiological-2DRoots-2DUnderstanding_dp_0877736421&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=1Doxw75yKx4ABtBbWTBKk36uJX5mv9wRsGJ-IqH5FKY&e= >*.
> My naming my system the Tree of Knowledge in the 2000s was, somewhat
> embarrassingly, completely coincidental. If I had done a better job in my
> literature review, I would have come across there work. Nonetheless, it was
> very affirming to read as it was a brilliant exposition that offered one of
> the most advanced, consilient pictures of human knowledge that had been
> offered to date.
>
>
>
> I look forward to future conversations and possible collaborations.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
>
>
> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Manuel Manga
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 3:15 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Sam Harris Six Minute Clip
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I agree that matter gives rise to consciousness. physics to chemistry to
> biology to brain, to mind, to language. to me language is key to self and
> consciousness.
>
> i wish that harris and others spent less time worrying about robots, the
> matrix and ai, and he would focused more on how we can transform-evolve our
> minds- consciousness-meta-narratives from a destructive species toward a
> more sustainable-ethical- and flourishing species.
>
>
>
> we are heading toward some big crisis, so let's be part academics-part
> evolutionary leaders.
>
> best,
>
> manuel manga
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:33 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>   I thought this 6 minute clip on consciousness was worthwhile:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=aWnCBpfWJuS-FhOtxD9xGtsh4W_FTBK3IOCwsrrd4U8&e= 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2FLqeiUFHf77Lo3raMI1QZAmIRjUxqXYC5HlbkqP5Ro&s=t49LFwBP5LSG1xmnqwKZ3-LKlRH7a_1qhPnJ-L5hRQc&e=>
>
>
>
>   Of course, with the BM3 solution, we can make significant advances in
> the “descriptive metaphysical system” that surrounds this set of claims.
>
>
>
>   Also, I was thinking it might be helpful to point out how I would frame
> his point about consciousness being the only thing we can know for certain.
> The UTOK would say that a consciousness event is the intersection of the
> ontic reality of being, epistemology, and ontology. That is, whatever you
> are experiencing is real in-and-of-itself, is the product of a witnessing
> experiencing functioning that is an ontological fundamental reality.
>
>
>
>   I think Rob Scott might put it as the moment of “is-ness”.  Is that
> fair, Rob?
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>
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