I also want to chime in quickly to appreciate Corinne's art! Thank you for
posting,
-Chance
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Mark Stahlman <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Waldemar:
>
> Great idea -- so, what does "paradigm" mean to you . . . ??
>
> Since the idea (in our context) comes from Thomas Kuhn, have you had a
> chance to read his book (written in 1958 and finally published in 1962)?
>
> I like to think of this in terms of what most people call
> "counter-cultures," a paradigm is a technology-driven shift of CULTURE (in
> the ToK Stack) and when one takes over from another, clashes are always
> going to happen.
>
> Since I'm 70 (born in 1948 in Boston, the same year my father graduated
> with a BS from MIT, on his way to an MA in Philosophy and PhD in History of
> Science), I was 19 years-old in 1967 when I bought a used Porsche 356C and
> drove it from Madison to Haight-Ashbury (then down the coast to see the
> Doors play at the Cheetah in LA). Now *that* was a counter-culture
> experience . . . <g>
>
> Today -- as reflected in all the political and economic &c upheaval (which
> Gregg seems very engaged with from what I saw on his site) and endless talk
> about the *robots* taking over -- we are in the middle of another one
> (which appear to happen every 50+ years nowadays, driven by new
> technologies). So, I'm not "predicting" so much as noticing what is
> already going on.
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nyt
> imes.com_2018_07_09_books_review_future-2Dof-2Dwork-2Ddarrel
> l-2Dm-2Dwest.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjO
> dn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&
> m=0UR2VYwQ3vSQmQ-K5FB4WmZPxAqBWeJRccvT9-Sv7w8&s=
> aPRM31jMkEVpgc3_UEv5hnJS7fGdARhy658rxkeFOa8&e=
>
> This is what it feels like when a *new* paradigm (as I understand the
> term) takes over our lives and it feels like we're all along for the ride .
> . . !!
>
> Does that help?
>
> Mark
>
>
> Quoting "Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> A suggestion:
>>
>> Perhaps, it would help if we had a brief definition, statement,
>> or synopsis, of what:
>>
>> 1. John considers to be the central nature of the
>> paradigm he is proposing.
>> 2. Mark considers to be the central nature of: a. The
>> new paradigm in which we find ourselves and b. The previous/old paradigm
>> which was replaced by the new paradigm.
>>
>> That way we could be reassured that we are reading, thinking, talking,
>> and writing about the same things.
>>
>> Best regards to all,
>>
>> Waldemar
>>
>> Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Thanks much for the stimulating contributions. I will offer some
>>> thoughts soon, so that perhaps we can sort out where it is where we are
>>> standing, both as a group and as individuals who have all been on long and
>>> intense journeys trying to figure out some of the most complex problems in
>>> philosophy. I think we all have interesting things to say.
>>>
>>> Warm regards to all!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> G
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you-- and thank you also for the correction! Cantor has emerged
>>>> again in a small body of work I am doing on people named Georg(e/es), so I
>>>> will be sure to look into this intrigue before exhibiting/writing about it
>>>> again! (The others are Braque, Gurdjieff and Sand...)
>>>>
>>>> Corinne
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: tree of knowledge system discussion [
>>>> [log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mark Stahlman [
>>>> [log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:04 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: New Paradigms
>>>>
>>>> Corrine:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks -- fascinating and beautifully done . . . !!
>>>>
>>>> Small correction, if you don't mind. Galileo's astronomy didn't
>>>> really "threaten" anything and his problems with the Church were quite
>>>> different from the usual accounts, having more to with his anti-Rome
>>>> Venetian backers (btw, my "godfather" Giorgio Desantillana wrote the
>>>> one-time "definitive" work on the topic and my father helped to design
>>>> what is now the Galileo Museum in Florence) and it was Cantor who
>>>> approached Franzelin, who pretty much blew him off (i.e. the Church
>>>> really didn't care what he was doing).
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ama
>>>> zon.com_Crime-2DGalileo-2DGiorgio-2DSantillana_dp_0226734811
>>>> &d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HP
>>>> o1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPW
>>>> HwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Bfq1ppMS3XgQnnQpYnIZ8wC_97XYRZ
>>>> JRxUuB1rAMdwc&e=
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The usual reports about G. Bruno's troubles are also mistaken.
>>>> It had little to do with his "heresy." In fact, as best as I can
>>>> tell, he was an "agent" of the English spymaster Walsingham and was
>>>> caught organizing against the Vatican. We often forget how much
>>>> "intrigue" was going on in those days and how often Rome was on the
>>>> receiving end (as well as dishing it out) -- plus how they were
>>>> finally defeated in the mid-19th century after many centuries of
>>>> declining influence.
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wiki
>>>> pedia.org_wiki_Francis-5FWalsingham&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBC
>>>> gmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-
>>>> UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlz
>>>> uSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=IYy1BIydW2s5dWUnNTYIYOmAhcjKtdkXhsxHKkAcdVo&e=
>>>>
>>>> Quoting "Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj" <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just sharing some of my artwork that relates a bit :)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sizing the Infinite, Seeking Eternity," about Georg Cantor was
>>>>> done in collaboration with E. Theta Brown, Associate Professor of Math
>>>>>
>>>>> Cover and pp. 11 – 16. (Photographs and essay.)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__kapsula
>>>>> .ca_releases_KAPSULA-5FGOODMEASURE-5F3of3.pdf&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLb
>>>>> WYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-
>>>>> UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlz
>>>>> uSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=BwEKKzPLdUHIfojBBcw4PN3O97YYW0fasOi23LN38O0&e=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corinne
>>>>>
>>>>> PS I have artwork about Gregg's ideas from some years ago that got
>>>>> buried somewhere in my studio after a move-- when I unearth it I
>>>>> will share!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corinne Diop
>>>>> Professor of Art
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fac
>>>>> ebook.com_corinne.diop.studio_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7v
>>>>> CI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIY
>>>>> BgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=
>>>>> KwQnikKeu_aL_IJaCKzcXiouQheSnbFsIVXtYmyKCZg&e=
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: tree of knowledge system discussion
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mark Stahlman
>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:13 AM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: New Paradigms
>>>>>
>>>>> John/Joe/Gregg &al:
>>>>>
>>>>> What Gregg has done here may be the *first* time this has ever been
>>>>> accomplished (or perhaps even attempted). While many have
>>>>> "philosophized" over all this, Gregg has actually assembled a group
>>>>> of experts (which decades of detailed knowledge as well as
>>>>> experience arguing with their domain-expert colleagues.) Hurray . .
>>>>> . !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tree of Knowledge Stack
>>>>>
>>>>> Culture :: Sociology (Joe)
>>>>> Mind :: Psychology (Gregg)
>>>>> Life :: Biology (John)
>>>>> Matter :: Physics (???)
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the "lower" define the "upper" or are there new *principles*
>>>>> that must be added at each level (or what Gregg calls "dimensions of
>>>>> complexity") . . . ??
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 19th-century, during what was a very different paradigm from
>>>>> the one in which we live Bernhard Reimann suggested what some call
>>>>> the "hypothesis of the higher hypothesis" and Georg Cantor generated
>>>>> his Transfinite schema in attempts to *rigorously* tackle this
>>>>> conundrum. Both of them have largely been forgotten today and this
>>>>> was replaced with the notion of a "Theory of Everything" (ToE) and
>>>>> "Unity of Science" (as per Carnap &al) in the 20th-century -- as a
>>>>> result of the new paradigm in which those scientists lived (but not
>>>>> the same one as ours).
>>>>>
>>>>> "Quantum" physics caught many people's attention and, for a while,
>>>>> seemed to be the answer -- but then it failed to produce a ToE and
>>>>> dissolved into a group of rival splinters until it was revived by
>>>>> some "hippies" who were living under yet-another paradigm (yes, as
>>>>> it turns out, I know Jack Sarfatti and he is an entertaining sorta
>>>>> guy, whose ideas were enhanced by both some LSD and some
>>>>> "conspiracies" that he imagines he was a part of) . . . <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ama
>>>>> zon.com_How-2DHippies-2DSaved-2DPhysics-2DCounterculture_dp_
>>>>> 039334231X&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_
>>>>> 5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=
>>>>> 8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=z21gNwg3Phhb8z
>>>>> DjPEWwYZZnnuOW0Vep1M486cPwhDQ&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for physics -- but wait there is more! The US *military*
>>>>> decided it wanted to take some Los Alamos bomb-desingers and shuffle
>>>>> them across-the-street to a new place that was called the Santa Fe
>>>>> Institute, to see if the physics of nuclear weapons (i.e.
>>>>> mini-stars) could be applied to society. The Department of Energy
>>>>> (which owns the US arsenal, not the service branches) initially
>>>>> funded them 100% (and now it's 30% with another 30% coming from
>>>>> Pierre Omidyar).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.san
>>>>> tafe.edu_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_
>>>>> 5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=
>>>>> 8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=AWiCJq0W3SGK9Q
>>>>> Xs99_ukwq3kcCNbrSUTQmPezjvzTE&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> The result was "complexity science" -- re-branding "chaos," since
>>>>> that frightens the children -- and its elaborate models of
>>>>> "emergence." Some of us from the Center spent last Spring with
>>>>> these folks (in particular, Jim Rutt, long-time chairman and now
>>>>> trustee at Santa Fe) and I can tell you they don't have a clue (and
>>>>> are unlikely to ever get one.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, Physics as failed (multiple times). How about Biology or
>>>>> Psychology or Sociology? As John tells us, biology is broken. As,
>>>>> Gregg tells us, psychology is broken. As Joe tells us, sociology is
>>>>> broken. So, what are we going to do . . . ??
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion is that we take a look at *paradigms* behind these
>>>>> approaches and their causes/effects. This is the study of the
>>>>> "structure of scientific revolutions" (as per Thomas Kuhn, although
>>>>> he never explained either the causes or effects) and, to accomplish
>>>>> that task, we will need Marshall McLuhan -- which we will do when
>>>>> Gregg returns.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ama
>>>>> zon.com_Structure-2DScientific-2DRevolutions-2D50th-
>>>>> 2DAnniversary_dp_0226458121&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4
>>>>> uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgj
>>>>> O2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Wjt
>>>>> 2pfZZFEZZ8hHd1Gi8N-e6L0fJp0jNpkVaXTqhbOw&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> To do this, we will have to do something that has been "forgotten"
>>>>> for 400+ years -- understand *formal* cause. Fortunately, Aristotle
>>>>> is there to help us (since he's the one who came up with this idea
>>>>> in the first place, 2500 years ago) and, even more fortuitously, we
>>>>> are now in a new paradigm (otherwise, we wouldn't be having this
>>>>> conversation).
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. The previous paradigm was characterized by "globalism" and what
>>>>> was called the "new world order" (i.e. the one that Kuhn was
>>>>> plumping for, as funded by the Ford Foundation) and it has now
>>>>> collapsed. Yes, this is what keeps Henry Kissinger awake at night.
>>>>> This is why Trump was elected, Briexit occured and the 5 Star
>>>>> Movement now runs Italy &c. This is also why we are now in another
>>>>> "counter-culture" (parallel to the 60s), since that's what happens
>>>>> to *culture* when paradigms shift (over-and-over, making its
>>>>> explanation a top priority for a "pure" sociology). This is the
>>>>> focus of my Center (and,, yes, I also know John Ralston Saul).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ama
>>>>> zon.com_Collapse-2DGlobalism-2DJ-2DR-2DSaul_dp_1786494485&
>>>>> d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo
>>>>> 1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWH
>>>>> wejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=4kvjg0j27G60OZOmJLQm4GmRSyKFwNZ
>>>>> pRY6JwkeZ9WY&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> P.P.S. The "cheerio conspiracy" in all this is that the *center* of
>>>>> maintaining that now obsolete paradigm was the Government
>>>>> Communications Head-Quarters (GCHQ) which is the foundation of what
>>>>> some now call the "Deep State." Edward Snowden had a lot to say
>>>>> about them in terms of their acronym, "Five Eyes," making Trump's
>>>>> upcoming meeting with the Queen very interesting -- since the "Deep
>>>>> State" actually reports to her (yes, making Canada an actual
>>>>> national security threat) . . . !!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wiki
>>>>> pedia.org_wiki_Five-5FEyes&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4
>>>>> uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgj
>>>>> O2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=s3S
>>>>> cNTD00fGwqUNtQsPGQEQcsbcSOwQaTNEYyxaajZA&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> P.P.P.S. Since our confusion about all this has been going on for a
>>>>> long-time, we will have to "drop back" and try to recover what
>>>>> previous paradigms -- such as the "Enlightenment" &c -- have
>>>>> destroyed. That is the origin of the "motto" on the Center website
>>>>> that "Digital *retrieves* the Medieval" and, from ISIS reviving
>>>>> *medieval* Jihad, to the Chinese reviving the *medieval* "Silk
>>>>> Road," it is already the world in which we live. As Marty McKly put
>>>>> it, "Doc, it's time to go back to the future" . . . <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wiki
>>>>> pedia.org_wiki_Back-5Fto-5Fthe-5FFuture&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnz
>>>>> ycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-
>>>>> UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlz
>>>>> uSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=B4o24kuAh19SX2ks1cGJ_arOZDTP30QffE62ZH6ORwI&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> P.P.P.P.S. What we have to try to avoid, as difficult as it may be,
>>>>> is to not behave "like a drunk looking for our carkeys underneath
>>>>> the streetlamp, because that's where the light is." The recently
>>>>> past paradigms have seriously screwed us up. This is why we are in
>>>>> such terrible condition -- which, btw, is not the situation in
>>>>> China, where its historic civilization is now the focus of study at
>>>>> the Central Party School (where CPC cadre are trained in Beijing) --
>>>>> and *all* of our attempts at "coherence" have failed. But, we're in
>>>>> luck, Aristotle is there to help us (which is why Summer School at
>>>>> the Center is teaching his 4th-century BC "On the Soul".)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ama
>>>>> zon.com_Soul-2DMemory-2DRecollection-2DAristotle_dp_18880091
>>>>> 79&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=
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>>>>> PWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=tcrM699HyAbsXoXcHy52dE-oXdz6
>>>>> 6F8YcxXYBoZt4iY&e=
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