Hi Gregg,
Very interesting piece, thanks for sharing.
I think I understand and agree with what you are saying with: "it would
have not screwed up the answer, but would have clearly differentiated
self-conscious (Mind3) from sentience/phenomenology (Mind2)."
To me, you can get closer to this idea by simply asking: "What is redness
like for you?" which could result in 3 general different answers.
1: My redness is like your redness.  (Mine is the same as yours)
2: My redness is like your greenness.  (Mine is phenomenal, like yours, but
qualitatively different)
3.  My knowledge is abstracted, represented with words like 'red'.  (My
knowledge is abstracted away from physical qualities, so can be represented
by anything, as long as you have a dictionary to tell me which physics is a
1, and which is a 0...)

But help me better understand what (Mind3) vs (Mind2) are and how this fits
into the ToK, as it seems you may be missing something, but I am probably
just not fully understanding.

Brent









On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 3:11 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
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> Hi TOK Folks,
>
>
>
>   Here is a blog to make you think
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_science-2Dand-2Dphilosophy_202008_what-2Ddoes-2Dartificial-2Dintelligence-2Dthink-2Dabout-2Dconsciousness&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JR9_ulpAwtUTm49hlSl3aEnMIuV1l8XkYALv8rJqy50&s=aDP_NqNhaqz2sm-8Nfm3AtV1VrXUcGpdSTP46FbtuL0&e= >
> about mind, consciousness, and the future.
>
>
>
>   From a ToK System perspective, the 21st Century sees the transition
> from the Cultural-Personal into the Digital-MetaCultural dimension, which
> will be massively shaped by Person-AI interface embedded in the digital
> landscape (which, of course, is embedded in other landscapes, although, as
> this blog reminds us, the digital is, in some ways, potentially less
> embedded in the sense that the mediums of information processing and
> communication are not based in the Life-Mind world directly).
>
>
>
> I believe that if we were to design an AI system based on the language
> game provided by the ToK System, it would have not screwed up the answer,
> but would have clearly differentiated self-conscious (Mind3) from
> sentience/phenomenology (Mind2). Indeed, it would have said that it was
> “weird” relative to natural consciousness, as it had many features of
> self-consciousness but lacked sentience.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gregg
>
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