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Brandon,

One of the big gaps in perspective is whether a theorist describes the
social as the concrete organization of the real world or as the abstract
mechanisms underneath what is institutional.

This is a classic example:

The Nobel prize is a real institution that was not organized according to
theory but according to the biases of Nobel and the Swedes who administrate
the prize.

The real world is like that: it never matches the pure abstractions that
some people hope it will.

Similarly speaking : our entire system of academic knowledge is messy. We
have arguments routinely over what constitutes an academic field or
subfield... or which research questions or models belong to what group of
scholars.

However sometimes the abstractions match the concrete institutional
structure well. When that happens, the world takes special notice of the
harmony.

For example our economic institutions closely match economic theory ( Of
course you're gonna always hear some whiny heterodox person claim that this
is not the case, usually because the whiny person has a cultish commitment
to a radical economy that doesn't exist )...

You will notice that my world systems analysis is not a discussion of
oughts but of "is"es...and thus I don't try to predict my own pet ideas as
being *the future*. I make predictions that are grounded in the messy
concrete truths of real world institutions...

 For example some people want to abstract the world system into only 2
variables: information and energy...  Certainly those 2 variables are
dominant but this is an abstraction that doesn't represent the world as it
actually operates. In other words we do not have major institutions on the
world level that organize our world based on categories of energy and
information. In the real structure: energy and information production
(education and higher learning) are both considered to be sectors and they
are put alongside other sectors actors such as services, real estate, and
transportation....

So sometimes the abstractions that nerds love so much are not corresponding
to the real world institutions.

A great theorist explains these gaps rather than assumes this is an error
of humanity !!!!!

Thanks Brandon!!!

Robert



On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 2:29 PM Brandon Norgaard <
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> You know, I was recently thinking about how the Nobel prizes can be seen
> to align with the main branches of sciences outlined within TOK, but there
> is no prize for psychology.  That is a shame.  I can list the Nobel prizes
> and assess how they might align with the branches of science and planes of
> existence within TOK:
>
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> *Nobel Prize                             Analog within TOK*
>
> Physics                                     Physical science / matter plane
>
> Chemistry                                 Physical science / matter plane
>
> Economics                                Social science / culture plane
>
> Physiology or Medicine              Biological science / life plane
>
> Peace                                       Not really science-based, but
> sort of in the realm of Social science / culture plane
>
> Literature                                  Artistic, not scientific, but
> sometimes covers psychological reflections in character development
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> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 5, 2021 3:41 AM
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> *Subject:* TOK Nobels in Medicine/Physiology
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>
> Hi All,
>
>   I encourage folks interested in the nature of the “mind-brain-behavior
> system” (AKA Mind1, Mind, and the set of mental behaviors as the third
> plane of existence) to check out this press release describing the Nobel
> Prizes handed out in Medicine/Physiology described here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nobelprize.org_prizes_medicine_2021_press-2Drelease_&d=DwICAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=rH1HFRkiPJDFZsn09FTalwmj_b_pwlKlBGMA_GUyCm4&s=eGiofxI2CTH3HERv54tzwBNOfRRHZ2dvVAH7qh4q0J0&e=>.
> Very cool stuff. The fact that this falls under the Nobel category of
> “Physiology and Medicine” is a good reminder of how the categories and
> concepts of science that emerged in the Enlightenment resulted in a
> massively confusing linkage between science and “physicalism”. The “hard”
> sciences, by which we mean the sciences that have a clear, coherent
> ontology, “tap out” at psychology because we could effectively frame the
> ontology of psychology. Thus, we bracket out “the mental” from “the
> physical” and have the impression that the sciences are revealing the
> underlying physical reality of our mental worlds. A much better
> understanding emerges when we realize that we are metaphysically confused.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gregg
>
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