HI All,
I finally got around to look at the video.
It BS always was
and its Colonial as hell.
I haven't looked at Game B before. I think there is something about it
that felt like a new label stuck on same old stuff and I put off reading
about it. All I know about Game B is what was on the video., so if that
misrepresents Game B then I got it wrong.
The video buys into the old story of everything started out perfect and
wonderful. Everyone co-operated and lived in harmony, then evil came -
the parasite entered and turned humanity's heart to greed and hate and
competition, but we can change it, get rid of the evil and live in a new
co-operating utopia. This is Riane Eisler's Kurgan hordes who came and
destroyed everything that had been so perfect and we can create a new
partnership way.
The parasite is in the story from the beginning. It is baked into the
pie never to be separated from it again. The serpent was always in the
Garden of Eden, just not activated. The honeymoon is always great, that
nice time when we can pretend everything is wonderful but everything
that unfolds comes from what is already present in the honeymoon.
As a living system or an organisation is born and grows difference is
low, requisite variety is low, opportunity is high. It is easy for the
organism to grow, My men's group has 8 people in it. We can all sit and
talk through anything that comes up. We have time to listen to everyone
and come to a consensus. It all feels easy, but if there were 200 people
in the group we could not do it. As difference and requisite variety
grows opportunity increases, but so too does conflict - difference to be
resolved. Conflict is an opportunity, but when the conflict is not
resolved in positive ways, it leads to abuse and violence.
Exponential growth cannot continue forever, there will always be
constraining factors that pull it back. Increased difference also
creates increased inequality to be resolved and whatever entropy a
living system cannot contain and bring to order it dumps on others - and
the other in itself.
For as long as we create a dualistic spilt good-evil,
co-operate-compete, autonomy-connectivity, we perpetuate all the old
myths that perpetuate the colonial dream of getting rid of evil to
create utopia and its all about the evil over there rather than I have
seen the enemy and he is us.
Our capacity for violence comes from our ape ancestors. It's how they
survived all those millennia. It was never not there. This is actually
the core thesis of the book I put into this group a few days back. And
thank you because the Game B video has clarified my understanding of my
thesis so I can now rewrite it to be much stronger.
These ideas are nothing new. Nietzsche, Jung, Thich Nhat Hanh, the
Buddha, the list goes on an on of people who have realised the potential
for evil and violence is in everyone of us. We all have the capacity on
a bad day of being evil, vicious bastards. We have to embrace the
shadow, learn to live with all the drives and urges within rather than
trying to separate them off and get rid of them.
That requires a brutal honesty that is extremely uncomfortable. It is so
much easier to say "I am right, you are wrong. You are the problem". Of
course I am as bad as anyone. My work is in family violence, so I see it
everyday and I see it in myself everyday.
We need better stories.
Regards
Victor
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> All,
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> Gregg, I was definitely holding the ToK System in mind while watching
> this video (noting the places where ToK delineations and
> specifications would be helpful and necessary).
>
> SW, I think you're spot on in naming the issues of interest /
> accessibility / broad engagement that can be a part of Gregg's work.
> To his credit (as you note), he's super open to generating content
> beyond the abstract and is definitely moving more towards day-to-day
> applicability in his more recent projects. I would be REALLY
> interested to hear your thoughts on this as an artist, as well as the
> opinions of other artists and musicians out there (Ken and Greg and
> more). So...don't crawl back into your cave just yet!
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> Warmly,
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> Ali
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> I just watched this. It's fantastic.
>
> My initial thoughts, of course, are centered around the power of
> mythology/gamification/symbolism to convey a message. My sense is
> we are going to need more stuff like this if "liminal" culture is
> to go from a relatively niche community on the internet to a
> full-blown cultural revolution. I have plenty of ideas on how to
> do this as a (theory and ritual) artist, but the trickiest thing,
> I suppose, is reforming the academic and mental health paradigms
> to incorporate this.
>
> Or maybe it isn't so tricky after all. Gregg's system does a
> wonderful job of utilising mythos as a way of demonstrating the
> relationship between different elements in his system. I'm curious
> on best practices for incorporating that mythos into less
> intellectually-inclined spaces. Art seems to be the way to go, but
> in terms of specifics...hmmm.
>
> Anyway.
>
> Also, this is my first time replying to a TOK Society email! Hello
> everyone! I'll be crawling back into my cave now.
>
> sw
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> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:45 PM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
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> I really enjoyed this production.
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> And, folks, UTOK does have a place in this. We need some new
> kinds of knowledge-psycho technologies to get us from Game A
> to Game ~B, and there is much gold to be mined from UTOK to
> frame this.
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
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> Christian,
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> Loving this art style that captures the imagination and
> inspiration of indie games.
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> Christian,
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> This was pretty rad! Love the animation, accessible
> theory/language, and length!
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> As always, I'm always looking for more tangible/concrete
> directives...maybe the other videos will provide that kind
> of information?
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> Warmly,
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> Ali
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