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Dear Waldemar

I would be happy to post you the five books I have written over the past 20
years with my co-author Jan Söderqvist on "the digital tsunami" that we
have yet to comprehend.
Just drop me a postal address offlist and the books will be yours in a few
days' time.
Trying to summarize this extensive work in a few sentences on a mailing
list simply does the topic little justice.
Let's just say The Internet is at least on a par with Civilization itself
and at least as big as written and/or printed language as revolutions
affecting what it means to be human.

Best intentions
Alexander

Den tis 26 mars 2019 kl 23:24 skrev Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]
>:

> Alexander:
>
> I am fascinated by your comment:
>
> Certainly not any understanding of Digital that would prepare people for
> the forthcoming and global onslaught.
>
> I wonder if you would expand upon “Digital” and “forthcoming and global
> onslaught.”
>
> I am interested in how you perceive these two and their relationship.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Waldemar
>
> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
> 503.631.8044
>
> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>
> On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Alexander wrote:
>  “all the minor sub-divisions trickling down from The Grand Narrative,
> are local expressions of the same global phenomenon”.
>   Absolutely. This is what the Theory Of Knowledge (TOK) Society calls an
> “integrative pluralism” to differentiate it from the current post modern
> state of fragmented pluralism. That is, there is a clear “form” to be seen
> and circled which serves as the integrated centripetal force, all while
> important pluralistic differences arising for a host of reasons stemming
> from perspective and tradition and the like.
> But all of them are concerned with greater “psycho-social-moral (or
> ethical)” understanding in a way that is consistent with but not reducible
> to the natural sciences. And seeking to reverse some of the confusion and
> inertia that is so pervasive.
> Best,
> G
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alexander Bard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:40 AM
> *To:* Intellectual Deep Web <[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: ToK vs Modern Psychology (and connection to Empire)
>
> Point taken, dear Gregg!
> Which is where The Grand Narrative, constant re-education, and machines
> that make us engage with and love strangers are key.
> It's really not that different from the paradigm shift from nomadism to
> permanent settlements some 5-10,000 years ago.
> And following that, all the minor sub-divisions trickling down from The
> Grand Narrative, are local expressions of the same global phenomenon.
> Psychology in this new shape and form certainly being one of them.
> Big love
> Alexander
>
> Den mån 25 mars 2019 kl 20:27 skrev Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
> Alexander,
>
>   What we need is a human transformational movement that has (a) clear
> grand metanarrative as the ground and frame; (b) a psychoeducational
> platform and interface system that helps both inform people and solve
> actual problems; and (c) clear points of “engagement” that people can rally
> around as being meaningful concepts and tools to their everyday lives.
>
>   Consider, for example, Edward Kroger’s concept of *Emotional Warfare*.
> What is needed is a movement that enables discussion about what this is,
> what its patterns are and how to recognize them, and how to combat vicious
> Emotional Warfare cycles and reverse them into authentic generativity. And
> not at an individual therapy level. But in a scalable way, across
> socioecological levels, that can range from the individual (and their inner
> Emotional Warfare) through dyad into the family into the tribe then into
> the state and nation and globe. That is one of the key things we will be
> discussing at the TOK Society Conference…how to consider the current social
> forces and fields at play and explore the dynamics of both educating and,
> even more important, ENGAGING people about this concept. If we can achieve
> engagement around a central concept that has been framed in just the right
> way, then you will see massive justification, investment and influence
> processes that start a wave of social change.
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
> *From:* [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alexander Bard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2019 2:47 PM
> *To:* Intellectual Deep Web <[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: ToK vs Modern Psychology (and connection to Empire)
>
> Dearest Gregg
>
> As you know already, I'm totally with you.
> However how do we get people out of the Cartesian paradigm, which would
> essentially "treat" them one by one "as patients" to then reinstall them
> into a society which they would then lack the capacity to understand and
> even less so question? I know Sociology at least tried this in the late
> 19th and early 20th centuries during its golden age with figures like
> Durkheim and Weber. But these days, with pale figures like Habermas at best
> as idols, there is little or nothing left of Sociology. Certainly not any
> understanding of Digital that would prepare people for the forthcoming and
> global onslaught.
> This is where our ideas of The Grand Narrative come into the picture. It
> is going to take us and many more collaborators years to build. But I
> believe it is needed if we are to ground our ambitions solidly and not have
> them swept away into thin air. Dignity and integrity are still
> communicative values. But what lies beneath is a material reality, from
> money to technology, that can not be covered over with just communicative
> values. This is where causality comes in. Or as I, in a Heideggerian manner
> prefer to call it, proper "grounding". Our work ahead is certainly cut out
> for us. We just need to do the work on different levels simultaneously.
>
> Best intentions
> Alexander
>
> Den mån 25 mars 2019 kl 15:40 skrev Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
> Alexander,
>   Lots of layers to this question and I have to get some things done
> today, so I will be relatively brief. First, the ToK and now larger “Age of
> Clarity” vision started for me when as I was being trained as a
> “psychological doctor.” I was seeking a scientific framework that could
> help me (a) describe and explain what was going on at the level of human
> psychology (the behavior of the individual, including their observable
> actions, their neurocognitive functions, their subjective experiences and
> their narratives for what they were doing and what was happening to them);
> (b) guided me to systematically recognize maladaptive patterns of being and
> (c) help them achieve greater flourishing and adaptive living; all while
> (d) being grounded in a clear and broad moral/ethical framework.
>
> The ToK and UTUA Theory of Knowledge is a synthetic philosophy that allows
> me to do just that. What is my ultimate goal? Well that is found in my
> “ultimate justification,” which is *Be that which enhances dignity and
> well-being with integrity* (found on my signature line). Here is a blog
> on those “big” three moral/ethical values
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201201_finding-2Dour-2Dmoral-2Dcompass&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=FkIw4b-QB-KecmM6rIMIZ4TNzggmAAlgTLqXl39y3B4&s=2luENYu80s81S6PD9tW9vj4NVWeBv3EGvFJVkFLG3Mc&e=>.
> I should note that they line up with Beauty (dignity), Goodness
> (well-being) and Truth (integrity) and are the antithesis of “Evil”
> (Ugly-Bad-Falseness/destructive warfare). In terms of my moral/ethical
> grounding, here is a blog that characterizes my moral vision as a
> “universalist” versus being an absolutist or a relativist
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201410_three-2Dviews-2Dmorality&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=FkIw4b-QB-KecmM6rIMIZ4TNzggmAAlgTLqXl39y3B4&s=zOpwp0OgkLqHkMw0Qqa47u0XIgDYZPImKDs-7OZRzE0&e=>.
> In short, the fundamental hope/offering is a system that enables
> understanding of ourselves in the natural world (it leaves mysticism and
> supernaturalism open and unaddressed, and seeks clarity about the empirical
> orders of nature, specifically Matter, Life, Mind and Culture). From that
> understanding and deeply connected to it, the hoped for emergence will be
> systems of wisdom that foster adaptive living
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201605_the-2Dadaptive-2Dliving-2Dequation&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=FkIw4b-QB-KecmM6rIMIZ4TNzggmAAlgTLqXl39y3B4&s=BSU1b1diLMyp8A2W_J2CV4d75KVL-dLRPHhJmWGV6VU&e=>
> .
>
>   All of this now becomes much clearer for me, given my recent partnership
> with Edward Kroger and his formulation of the Patterns of Emotional Warfare
> and how to identify and reverse these destructive cycles and move into
> authentic flourishing. Doing exactly that was my original intent in
> becoming a psychological doctor: Identify how humans are suffering because
> of maladaptive psychosocial patterns and offer guidance that they freely
> choose (as opposed to being forced to follow) in their quest to develop
> healthy emotional function and more fulfilling relationships and ways of
> being in the world. That is the intent of the system, and its hoped for
> “overall destination.”
>
> Best of Intentions,
> Gregg
> ___________________________________________
> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D.
> Professor
> Department of Graduate Psychology
> 216 Johnston Hall
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> (540) 568-4747 (fax)
>
>
> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.*
> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at:
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>
>
>
> *From:* [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alexander Bard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2019 9:52 AM
> *To:* Intellectual Deep Web <[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: ToK vs Modern Psychology (and connection to Empire)
>
> Dear Gregg & Co
>
> The crisis in psychology is the same as the crisis in all the social
> sciences. Why do they exist in the first place? What is their overall goal?
> The social sciences were developed in the 19th century to serve the
> European nation-states and their spin-offs around the world.
> Once nationalism was over and done with, the social sciences had become
> establishments that were looking for new raisons d'etre to keep their
> immense academic machines thriving.
> So they moved from states to markets and began targeting confused
> individual consumers and drowned them in fixes and treatments.
> The goal of permanent meaning was replaced with the ambition of temporary
> happiness. No wonder we have arrived in a society with 100% diagnoses and
> pills for just about everything. While the underlying existential crisis is
> exploding, still being met with nothing but further flattering language and
> treatment fashions. Meaning the social sciences have - at best - become
> part and parcel of the same industry as gyms and sun tanks.
> Fair enough. But we want more than that. Especially as "digital" will
> require realness on a level that psychology has escaped since it became the
> more pretentious part of new age mythology and a sub-division of Madison
> Avenue.
> So what is the Tree of Knowledge's overall destination? And which power
> structures does it serve, how, and why?
> Or are we only discussing a shared language here? To do what, prepare
> psychology for machine intelligence?
>
> Best intentions
> Alexander
>
>
> Den lör 23 mars 2019 kl 15:36 skrev Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
> (TOKer’s I am cross posting this from Alexander’s list—he asked me to
> explain how the ToK approaches psychology in contrast to the modern
> approach)
>
> Great question about psychology and the ToK formulation, Alexander. Let me
> focus here on the first part of your query, spelling out the ToK System
> (which BTW, is embedded in a larger UTUA Framework) vision relative to
> mainstream academic (American) psychology.
>
> Modern academic psychology, at least as it is taught here in psych 101
> courses, is defined by its commitment to empiricism (i.e., it emphasizes
> systematic data gathering and testing hypotheses). At the conceptual level,
> it consists of a bunch of overlapping but also competing and inconsistent
> paradigms. Some of the major ones are: social cognitive functionalism
> (e.g., Albert Bandura, Beck), radical behaviorism (Skinner), psychodynamic
> (neo-Freudian), humanistic, evolutionary, and cultural (or social
> structural…feminist, postmodern), along with many other minor ones. From a
> ToK perspective the multiplicity of fragmented paradigms fail to produce
> consensual knowledge (in contrast to Periodic Table of the Elements, for
> example). And thus modern psychologists are largely going through the
> motions of the scientific method, but they are not generating consensual
> scientific knowledge in the same way as physicists, chemists and biologists
> do.
>
> The ToK starts with the one thing that psychologists have consensus about,
> which is that there is no consensus about how to define the field.
> Theoretical psychologists call this “the crisis” and has been readily
> recognized since the turn of the 20th Century. I have labeled the crisis
> “the problem of psychology”. It refers to the fact that unlike physics and
> biology (defined respectively as the sciences of Energy/Matter and Life)
> there is NO shared general subject matter that unifies the field. That is,
> it is sometimes defined as the science of the mind, sometimes
> consciousness, sometimes behavior, sometimes it corresponds to only people,
> sometimes it corresponds to animals. It can’t even agree on whether it is
> primarily a basic science discipline (like biology), or if it is more of an
> applied health service discipline (like medicine or social work).
>
> Why is there no agreed upon subject matter? The reason for this was
> well-diagnosed by the philosopher Larry Cahoone in his 2014 Orders Of
> Nature. In it he builds a systematic metaphysics almost identical to my ToK
> System vision that includes Matter, Life, Mind and Culture as separable
> orders of nature. He argues strongly that such a view is needed in contrast
> to the either/or Matter/Physicalism versus Mind/Idealism versus Dualism
> that has been the operating as the fundamental metaphysical “choice” for
> modern, Western intellectual thought.  He writes:
>
> *“[The picture of naturalism adopted here] rejects the dominant bipolar
> disorder of modern philosophy, the belief that reality is constituted by at
> most two kinds of entities or properties, the physical and the mental, a
> disorder shared by idealism, dualism, and physicalism or materialism,
> reductive or nonreductive. That disorder encouraged us to think physics is
> the only metaphysically interesting natural science, that human mentality
> is the only part of nature that creates problems for a (physically
> oriented) metaphysics, that knowledge and mind are solely human
> possessions, that all the other natural sciences—chemistry, the Earth
> sciences, biology, engineering—are metaphysically unimportant. This dualism
> has been repeatedly and recursively applied, multiplying sub-schools (for
> example, between “scientific” naturalists and “humanistic” naturalists),
> but always with the same tendencies. It arguably has something to do with
> the congealing of twentieth-century Western philosophy into two opposed
> hermetic traditions, analytic and continental philosophy, one (in its
> metaphysics) tending to focus on highly specialized problems in the
> interpretation of physics and the possible reduction of mentality, the
> other rejecting natural science as inhospitable to whatever matters to the
> human prospect (there being some exceptions on both sides who, as is said,
> prove the rule). In a broader context, both are manifestations of the
> conflict of C. P. Snow’s the “two cultures” (Snow and Collini, 1993). In
> contrast the current naturalism bases itself in multiple sciences, not just
> physics. It accepts emergence, the presence of irreducible properties at
> levels of complexity, or what is the same thing, the reality and causal
> relevance of hierarchically arranged complex systems and processes. The
> idea is not new. It is a re-fashioning of a genre of post-Darwinian
> naturalistic metaphysics active from 1870– 1930, and epitomized by the
> British Emergentists of the 1920s. Such thinkers—who pre-dated the division
> of philosophy into analytic and continental schools—accepted the
> metaphysical relevance of multiple sciences and saw nature as complex and
> evolving. Largely cast aside by philosophy, their conceptions remained
> alive in the work of some revisionist theologians and interdisciplinary
> scientists concerned with emergence and hierarchical systems theory,
> recently resurrected by scientific work on complex systems.”*
>
> The ToK System is a picture of Cahoone’s emergent naturalism. Both systems
> show very clearly that there is a “Mental Order” of nature that resides
> between the Life/biological and Culture/Social dimensions. Why is this
> crucial? Because it provides a clear systematic metaphysical grounding for
> understanding what exactly is meant by “the mental,” which becomes the
> foundational way of characterizing psychology’s subject matter. That is,
> (basic) psychology is/should be the science that is concerned with the
> mental order of nature. For example, I have explicitly articulated why this
> understanding allows us to go from the current split between cognitivism
> versus behaviorism to a coherent “mental behaviorism” (can share papers if
> interested).
>
> So, that is one answer…the ToK resolves the metaphysical problem of modern
> scientific psychology. I will say it actually does more than this, as the
> full UTUA language system I built also comes with Justification Systems
> Theory, Behavioral Investment Theory, and the Influence Matrix (and a whole
> system for psychotherapy). These allow for the “metatheoretical”
> integration of all the paradigms to create theoretical harmony, anchored to
> a shared language system. My book, *A New Unified Theory of Psychology*,
> explains how this works.
>
> Let me stop there and see if this makes sense. The next part of the answer
> gets into morality and digital and the future. I will also say here that I
> agree with Mark that modern psychology was disconnected from the moral in a
> deep and problematic way that it needs to contend with and offer a vision
> about. I can also articulate why I am so enthralled with your “Empire”
> vision and why I think there are such strong parallels with how I see
> things. I will simply summarize the linkages as follows: I believe that the
> Enlightenment did a great job of helping us understand the physical,
> chemical, and biological aspects of nature. However, it breaks down at the
> level of psychology, for the reasons noted. I think I built a system that
> can solve the problem of psychology, and that can then be linked to the
> social sciences on the one hand and morality/ethical living on the other. I
> think the world is horribly confused about these domains and chaos is
> reigning. I think both of us are interested in fostering greater
> understanding of the connections between the natural sciences, the social
> sciences, and the arts/humanities/theologies and how to build a post
> postmodern grand meta-narrative that brings clarity to these issues, and
> affords us a way to transition into the digital age in with greater wisdom
> than is currently being exhibited by our leaders and institutions.
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Alexander Bard
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:15 AM
> *To:* Intellectual Deep Web <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: BIT and Four Inner Senses
>
> Dear Gregg
>
> Brilliant!!!
> In what way does the Tree of Knowledge differ from wherever contemporary
> psychology has arrived?
> Let's say I'm asking for a friend. But also to connect your work with
> possible empire or subsidiarity models explored here elsewhere.
> Is the ToK focused on "the (in)dividual"? Or is the ToK focused on how to
> make sense of the social in the digital?
> What ethical imperative would for example the ToK give the machines in
> order to serve the humans?
>
> Best intentions
> Alexander
>
> Den tors 21 mars 2019 kl 12:44 skrev Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
> Hi IDWers,
>
>   I meant to share that the post that Mark offered on medieval psychology
> and the *Four Inner Senses* was very helpful to me (thanks for that,
> Mark). Since Alexander asked about the inner senses in his post today, I
> thought I would share where I am coming from.
>
> Here is the key 2x2 from that chapter:
>
> Object known is either:      *Present*                  *Retained*
> What is sensed                *common sense *       *imagination*
> Beyond what is sensed     *estimative power*      *memory*
>
> In my UTUA/ToK Framework, I developed Behavior Investment Theory (BIT) to
> account for animal behavior/mind…and what Larry Cahoone calls the “mental
> order” in nature. BIT assimilates and integrates many ideas. For example,
> it bridges the conceptual divide between modern cognitive neuroscience and
> radical behaviorism, via “mental behaviorism” (Skinner’s Fundamental
> Insight and Fundamental Error
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201609_skinners-2Dfundamental-2Dinsight-2Dand-2Dfundamental-2Derror&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=8iiTFSEiuwnPcjC853aHfCL1ktn_bXtLyQ7M2E0eHwE&s=7nwesgy2PDIZ8hUcj1UMteXvQ6hUy360QvviKJzPxak&e=>).
> It also generates a cognitive functionalist view of the human mind/mental
> architecture. (The Four Levels of Pain
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201210_the-2Dfour-2Dlevels-2Dpain&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=8iiTFSEiuwnPcjC853aHfCL1ktn_bXtLyQ7M2E0eHwE&s=AzZ6-RUShf_4W6MTAEsK11_2eSCAcwMXixNGKLyz27M&e=>).
> I wanted to note here that I think the BIT Architecture of the Human Mind
> lines up well with the medieval psychology categories. Attached is a map as
> to how I see the lineup.
>
> Happy to field any questions if they arise.
>
> Best,
> G
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