If others get a chance, I recommend the article Gregg posted here about
Darcie's "Evolved Nest" conceptualization.  I have been sharing that
conceptualization with others and the terminology and framing seems to
resonate,

-Chance

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:50 PM Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Darcie:
>
> Thank you for reminding us of the importance of the “nest” in the
> generation of our “USA culture.”  Our particular sub-set of
> Western/European culture saps the resources of our society’s civility,
> equanimity, and resilience.  I will use highly technical terminology here:
> We are NUTS! 🤪😢
>
> Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> 
> I am grateful for Gregg's note and compilation of articles and for the
> brilliant and collaborative responses here.  In my daily life I experience
> the effects of confused clamoring for answers and misleading responses
> those demands.  I feel fortunate to have access to the perspectives of a
> group who are "meta-aware" of humanness, and am further encouraged by the
> high levels of agreement and overlap on this topic.
>
> Gregg's insights about relational value metering and Joe's insights about
> social distance seem worthy of addition to this discussion.  To my wit,
> individuals with suicidal ideation are often aware of their separation from
> their assigned social herd.  The social mask, or personality structure, is
> still operable, but the power steering is gone and social calculations must
> be done "by hand," (rote working memory simulation).  This is exhausting.
> The inner experience of the individual is one of intensifying pain and
> pessimism.  Interactions that are successful are due to proper performance
> of a character perceived to be appropriate, but the core experience of
> successful social interaction is relief from the avoidance of detection and
> a bad outcome rather than an approach for positive outcomes.  Diminishingly
> objectively valued (due to inefficiency and lower productivity) and rapidly
> unknown to others, energy drains from the psychic structure while at the
> same time the complexity of calculating and performing an acceptable social
> character (false self) increase.  *The felt distance between self and
> other grows vast*.  Without the energy and mental resources to influence
> environmental conditions, and perhaps an increased dependency on others,
> some people with this kind of depression become desperate for relief in the
> form of an escape.  Should the cycle of increasing pain, isolation, and
> private social distancing continue, suicide becomes a rational choice for
> many.
>
> In UT language, our learned behavioral investment contingencies are
> destroyed or made obsolete by rapid environmental changes, our experiential
> systems become flooded with pain and aversive signals, we experience rapid
> plummets in our perceived relational value due to social media (we are not
> so special, useful, or valued as we had been taught or hoped), and the
> private narrator within us becomes an incessant and haunting chatter-box as
> it tries to create a justifiable narrative about these experiences that
> would be presentable to an audience that itself is unclear, disoriented,
> and confused.
>
> I do hope that the developmental perspectives presented here gather more
> traction in policy.
>
> Best,
>
> -Chance
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:17 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Darcia.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just want to say here on the list that I very much enjoyed the article
>> you co-authored on developmental science and the distinction between the
>> (developmental systems) process relational metatheoretical view and the
>> “Cartesian Split Mechanistic View”. It is attached and I strong recommend
>> it for anyone doing big picture theory work in psychology.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Darcia Narvaez
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:48 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: Why are teens killing themselves at alarming rates
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to jump here with root causes. The early months and years set up all
>> neurobiological systems and our evolved basic needs expect our species
>> normal nest. The USA is probably the worst country in the world for
>> providing the evolved nest, setting up anxiety and depression (at epidemic
>> levels for all ages) for life because, for example, the underdevelopment of
>> receptors and function of serotonin, endogenous opioids, oxytocin---the
>> things that make us feel good. See more here about the evolved nest from
>> our lab in this open access article:
>>
>> *Tarsha, M.*, & Narvaez, D. (2019). The Evolved Nest: A partnership
>> system that fosters child wellbeing. *International Journal of
>> Partnership Studies, 6*(3). Open access: doi.org/10.24926/ijps.v6i3.2244
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.24926_ijps.v6i3.2244&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=sTCpuq0vAVYqVSogG2eJmhokN-fKvZkRmKCuYRRH4NU&s=loVCXAYKWSnXulkv2RbyqqqmTKkqTsRJ_xAIbl9g12M&e=>
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>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Darcia Narvaez (DAR-sha narv-EYES)
>> Professor of Psychology, Psychology Department <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__psychology.nd.edu_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=sTCpuq0vAVYqVSogG2eJmhokN-fKvZkRmKCuYRRH4NU&s=7RKz9lRX1OaPbVYbzrEKjOOuE0by3Pgp9kM7uh2j_cY&e=>,
>> 362 Corbett, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame IN 46556 USA
>>
>> [log in to unmask], 574-631-7835
>> *My University Website <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nd.edu_-257Ednarvaez&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=sTCpuq0vAVYqVSogG2eJmhokN-fKvZkRmKCuYRRH4NU&s=09Mxmv9IO1MimK2-r_-7kcpERgC7MirAqJDR6ge3MIE&e=> *
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>>
>> *I acknowledge my presence at the University of Notre Dame on the
>> traditional homeland of the Pokégnek Bodéwadmik / Pokagon Potawatomi, who
>> have been using this land for education for thousands of years, and
>> continue to do so.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:40 AM Alexander Bard <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the root cause is the ideology we had before social media
>> arrived and where social media then has put gasoline on the fire so to
>> speak.
>>
>> And that is the utter loneliness of radical individualism, a society
>> where everybody is fighting everybody else, for attention and for social
>> reward, in a constant battle of all against all.
>>
>> Human beings are deeply tribal and social creatures. Unless we understand
>> that quickly and start working accordingly this issue is only going to get
>> worse and worse.
>>
>> Youth suicide rates in Europe and North America are not only at record
>> highs, they are this high despite all the successes of modern psychiatry
>> (which caused the lowering rates between 1970-1999).
>>
>> So the crisis is much deeper and more profund than we have been willing
>> to acknowledge. And the roots are to be found in The Enlightenment in the
>> 1600s rather than just in contemporary media usages.
>>
>> That kids are taught to compare themselves against each other (and their
>> unattainable idols) rather than collaborate is what is existentially
>> shocking and abnormal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best intentions
>>
>> Alexander Bard
>>
>>
>>
>> Den tis 7 jan. 2020 kl 17:29 skrev Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> Dear Chris:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think we can all appreciate your perspective, both in terms of the work
>> that you do and in terms of your more personal context. I would expect
>> nothing but thoughtful, supportive comments from a list such as this, given
>> the nature of who's involved. Few of us are truly experts on the subject,
>> but I suspect that many have some familiarity with the research and some
>> have published in the area. Just a brief couple of points based on my own
>> background and knowledge of the subject matter.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, I always try to get a handle on the most reliable data. Suicide
>> rates have been climbing steadily upward in the U.S. for the past two
>> decades, for example, but perhaps not quite as dramatically as the media
>> have portrayed. Back in 1950, the death rate for suicide in the United
>> States stood at 21.2/100,000 for males and 5.5/100,000 among females.By
>> the year 2000, the figures had dropped to relative "lows" of 17.7 and 4.1
>> for males & females. But there has been a steady climb over the past two
>> decades, such that in 2017, there were 22.4 male and 6.1 female deaths
>> by suicide per 100,000 resident population. Hence, we are confident that
>> the problem has been increasing over the last two decades.
>>
>>
>>
>> The key question, of course, is "why"? That's where people like Gregg and
>> perhaps others on the list can offer some greater insights. For example,
>> you ask about whether social media adds to feelings of depression and
>> anxiety that could lead to self-harm and even suicidal thoughts. The short
>> answer would be, "yes" - but that has to be placed in the broader context
>> of social and cultural changes that have occurred, and not just purely a
>> matter of technology or the introduction of the iphone. But technology and
>> e-communications are profoundly changing the way in which we interact and
>> connect, as many on this list can attest and comment on further. My concern
>> is that we have only the most limited and imperfect research to try to
>> demonstrate the "causal" linkages between social media and these influences
>> that you have mentioned. We need far more robust research and longitudinal
>> studies, in my view, to tease out the mechanisms that produce higher (or
>> lower) rates of depression and anxiety. These are not "new" phenomena, to
>> be sure, but the degree to which social media may have an adverse impact
>> has not been studied adequately in my opinion - and I've been looking for
>> good research on the subject for the past few years. I've shared a few
>> articles with our academic counselors on the depression among students in
>> universities, but, again, the studies only show broad corollary effects of
>> social media on depression - but the degree of that impact has not been
>> separated from the host of other social, contextual factors such as living
>> arrangements, degree of connectivity or community participation (e.g., we
>> know that getting students out of their dorm rooms and involved in
>> activities has a positive impact in reducing depression), or family
>> situation and stressors, etc. And I'm not even getting into the
>> psycho-biological foundations! Much more to be said, by many on this list
>> and others. Yours kindly, -Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski
>>
>> King’s University College at Western University
>>
>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201
>>
>> London, Ontario, Canada  N6A 2M3
>>
>> Tel: (519) 433-3491
>>
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> ______________________
>>
>> *ei*π + 1 = 0
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Christopher Hadnagy <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:27 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject:* Re: Why are teens killing themselves at alarming rates
>>
>>
>>
>> I rarely comment in this thread, as I feel wholly unqualified to sit at
>> the table with the minds that Gregg  has collected here. But this topic is
>> one I often come in contact with during my work running the ILF (
>> www.innocentlivesfoundation.org
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.innocentlivesfoundation.org&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_THkEKzmYZomBS2wplN7CHh-3nWuCGP61prFTM1rq6M&s=R3qFY_ueVm0WNXUI2sJeaBlt6d2AmzWH2mHGroTNlWI&e=>
>> )
>>
>>
>>
>> I have questions, that I want to pose but I feel they are questions that
>> can start a fiery debate and I do not want to be a the receiving end of
>> scathing criticism as I realize my knowledge on these topics is probably
>> not up to par with the rest of you, so please take these are real questions
>> I am asking as a parent, as a person who works with saving abused kids and
>> as a 40 something that grew up in a world that went from low tech to all
>> tech and from hard lines to almost invisible lines.
>>
>>
>>
>> The topic of growing teen suicide is troubling to me, my daughter who is
>> 15 has an ever increasing number of friends who cut, burn, self harm and
>> talk about ending it all.  We have lost over 5 friends in the last 1.5
>> years to suicide, not counting the ones I know I would not consider close.
>> Yes it seems easy to want to medicate it away, but I sit back and I observe
>> my daughter and her interactions with friends both IRL (real life) and
>> online.  And here are my questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think that the usage of social media adds to feelings of
>> depression and anxiety that could lead to self-harm and even suicidal
>> thoughts? I have noticed with my daughter the constant need to compare
>> herself to the “life” she sees others having online.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think the push to allow even very young children to choose a
>> gender or be fluid with their identities is creating a rift in peacefulness
>> and mindfulness? I find it so anxiety inducing to speak publicly, I do this
>> a lot as part of my job.  But something as simple as “Ladies and Gentlemen”
>> will get met with harsh, SJW angst that makes me out to be a racist because
>> I used that phrase.
>>
>>
>>
>> I read an article that spoke about, even though the “metoo” movement was
>> so positive for helping women find a voice for bad treatment, most young
>> men who are not predators are so afraid of being accused they avoid sexual
>> contact – do you think this lack of human contact and expression can lead
>> to the increase in these behaviors?
>>
>> (re:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cbsnews.com_news_us-2Dfertility-2Dbirth-2Drate-2Ddecline-2Djodi-2Dkantor_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ra_DOmZZpSCiFQmtZ6wyH97VbMRO1PxU6q7FRD6h0wE&s=GaE8b_NIpgxrZEvpxPl60JAlizTQ28g3kCXfmahBxMU&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cbsnews.com_news_us-2Dfertility-2Dbirth-2Drate-2Ddecline-2Djodi-2Dkantor_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_THkEKzmYZomBS2wplN7CHh-3nWuCGP61prFTM1rq6M&s=yU4fl34fq8bMA6WxFvOabPxdi_UKR9NhfcGcMeJZ0-A&e=>)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyhow, I will stop here, I am not one for long emails, I do apologize
>> that my first time being involved in this discussion is at such
>> controversial topics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I look forward to your comments and thoughts.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of "Henriques, Gregg -
>> henriqgx" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Reply-To: *tree of knowledge system discussion <
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>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:54 AM
>> *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Subject: *Why are teens killing themselves at alarming rates
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi TOK List,
>>
>>
>>
>>   As you know, I have been tracking the mental health crisis in our
>> youth. Here is a brief op-ed in the times reviewing some of the
>> disconcerting data on depression and suicide rates among teens.
>>
>> *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_01_06_opinion_suicide-2Dyoung-2Dpeople.html-3Fnl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200107-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26instance-5Fid-3D14975-26segment-5Fid-3D20104-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47-26regi-5Fid-3D352238940107&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ra_DOmZZpSCiFQmtZ6wyH97VbMRO1PxU6q7FRD6h0wE&s=gdxkRpUJJPfWnIZmZtFvyuUO2xpeXwP49OOmJhE70sM&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_01_06_opinion_suicide-2Dyoung-2Dpeople.html-3Fnl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200107-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26instance-5Fid-3D14975-26segment-5Fid-3D20104-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47-26regi-5Fid-3D352238940107&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_THkEKzmYZomBS2wplN7CHh-3nWuCGP61prFTM1rq6M&s=QD_DgGr7Jklxa6cqw5NVA6mB4zHYOwhIePUEOE-Ax2E&e=>*
>>
>>
>>
>>   It is by a psychiatrist, and, as is too often the case in psychiatry,
>> depression is characterized in the piece as a disease like entity. Indeed,
>> the author seems to believe that if we would only prescribe more meds, teen
>> mental health would be better. I strongly disagree.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I also believe the piece is a good reminder why we need clear and
>> straightforward discussions on what depression IS. FYI, I was invited to do
>> an NPR academic minute on this topic, which will becoming out in march.
>> Here are the takes if you want to get ahead of the release 😊.
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_sh_dms79kvhllm5mmt_AAAVQPmCkLBwLok1gKghcFipa-3Fdl-3D0&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ra_DOmZZpSCiFQmtZ6wyH97VbMRO1PxU6q7FRD6h0wE&s=xx2Yf8ny_3DH2CPcVuENcLMlC-tWhTvhINIzV9lfAcw&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_sh_dms79kvhllm5mmt_AAAVQPmCkLBwLok1gKghcFipa-3Fdl-3D0&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_THkEKzmYZomBS2wplN7CHh-3nWuCGP61prFTM1rq6M&s=K9KiQdTScIH-GYKKWcVZ44sMuOR5iTBSIQk-Iq8X5vE&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Here is the basic question I would ask regarding these alarming rates: *Are
>> we raising our children in an anti-fragile way that fosters in them the
>> capacity to grow into adults who can love, play, and work with deep
>> purpose? *
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is what the kindergarten teachers are saying about the job we are
>> doing in the schools:
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_freedom-2Dlearn_201912_kindergarten-2Dteachers-2Dare-2Dquitting-2Dand-2Dhere-2Dis-2Dwhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ra_DOmZZpSCiFQmtZ6wyH97VbMRO1PxU6q7FRD6h0wE&s=HcCF9aee77zrQ68FtwH5Zlccir6zGIXTIU-8l9-lafM&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_freedom-2Dlearn_201912_kindergarten-2Dteachers-2Dare-2Dquitting-2Dand-2Dhere-2Dis-2Dwhy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_THkEKzmYZomBS2wplN7CHh-3nWuCGP61prFTM1rq6M&s=bpkXkx76T0V4tN8RtI8EERV7zds7PwTfFGKsoRB-ymw&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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