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Gregg, I am wholly in support of 'knowledge into wisdom' but would submit
that without seeing that transition in the frame of our collective history,
biologic, psychologic and cultural, we 'throw the baby out with the
bathwater' repeatedly, expecting a different outcome. Best, John

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:10 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
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> John,
>
>   Thanks.
>
>
>
>   Let me share that, from a ToK and Justification Systems Theory (JUST)
> perspective on epistemology, there is not a hard and fast line or straight
> dichotomy between errant “rationalizations” and authentic True “knowledge.”
> Rather, we want to place things on a  dimension of “justification,” which
> allows us to first characterize what kind of thing linguistic propositions
> are (all verbal meaning making propositions are justifications). And such
> propositions can be placed on a continuum of justification that ranges on
> the one end from lying (known falsehoods) to rationalizing (hiding needs,
> giving reasons) to the more middle “truth value” of offering opinions and
> practical/social reasons to formulating systematic arguments to developing
> coherent logically consistent systems (like math) to developing
> correspondence between propositional systems and empirical findings
> (something like general relativity would serving as an example of a “true”
> justification system, in that it meets the highest standards of
> epistemology even as we can be confident it is not the final Truth of the
> universe).
>
>
>
>   With that clarification, I certainly agree that we want to move from
> wishful rationalizations and the current confusion that is dominated by
> ego-based needs and Emotional Warfare to much more accurate and morally
> defensible states of justification that can be perhaps characterized as
> “knowledge-into-wisdom.”
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
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> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *JOHN TORDAY
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:53 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Age of Clarity
>
>
>
> Dear Gregg and ToK, regarding Gregg's excellent article addressing
> Wilson's "Consilience" and the ToK, as I have said before, there must IMHO
> be recognition that our present and future are based on our past,
> literally, because that's how evolution works folks. Wilson superficially
> and glibly said that if all knowledge is being reduced to 'one's and
> zero's' that there is opportunity to integrate all of it as a whole. But I
> submit that he's talking about information, not knowledge, so all that
> you've got is a fancy 'index' without a way of formulating thought as
> knowledge. In the same vein, the ToK needs the mechanistic connections
> between the levels from matter to consciousness in order to gain the
> historic 'arc' of psychology. To only 'justify' our actions without
> recognizing their historic origins and processes is to rationalize, not
> 'know'. Respectfully, John Torday
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:22 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Nicoló:
>
>
>
> Thanks for this note. The relationship between the natural sciences
> (physics, chemistry, and biology) and the human/social sciences (sociology,
> anthropology, economics, & political science) and the humanities
> (literature, the arts) and, as you well know, the more recent “philosophy
> of design” view is absolutely central to our endeavor. The hope is that,
> with its novel approach to the problem of psychology, ToK System can
> resolves many of the issues that have tripped us up in the past (see, e.g., *The
> Problem of Psychology and the Integration of Human Knowledge: Contrasting
> Wilson’s Consilience with the Tree of Knowledge System
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gregghenriques.com_uploads_2_4_3_6_24368778_henriques-5Fppihk-5F-5F1-5F.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=yINRN7YjMEfoSkDAvS222VvP1GcArUgSsDI5XHYdAJc&s=6NU-EmGUPLY-YK8FJjzHQG0UPOnHVPIHmpcTFztAOhE&e=>)*.
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> I look forward to hearing your contributions about the concept/philosophy
> of design and the professional practice of psychology.
>
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> Best,
> Gregg
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> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Waldemar Schmidt
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:47 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: Age of Clarity
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> Nicoló:
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> I am looking forward to meeting you.
>
> I hope to hear more about the “naturalistic turn.”
>
> Travel safely.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Waldemar
>
>
>
> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
> 503.631.8044
>
> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Nicoló Gaj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
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>
> Dear all,
>
> it sounds promising, as knowledge becomes more and more specialized and we
> risks to loose the big picture and the connected nature of human and
> natural events.
>
> I think the blog is particularly important in that opens up the
> possibility to challenge the "naturalistic turn" social and human sciences
> seem to have endorsed, in the hope to be as credible as the natural
> sciences. We need a frame to ground the autonomy of human sciences.
>
>
>
> I'm really looking forward to see some of you in Harrisonburg!
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>
>
> Bye,
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> Nicolò
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> Il giorno lun 25 mar 2019 alle ore 13:58 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
>
> Dear TOK Society Members,
>
>
>
>   I am pleased to share with you a blog the TOK Executive Committee (i.e.,
> Edward Kroger, Joe Michalski, Steve Quackenbush, Waldemar Schmidt and
> myself) published this morning, titled *Toward an Age of Clarity*:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201903_toward-2Dthe-2Dage-2Dclarity&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Fcfw4yUd34KtrjbcRhJs1VpB5BPEoltH7jTmf9dJ9c0&s=G_fwZajTKBxSSDvBrNWEPca5UY72tvHfLskELedztoo&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201903_toward-2Dthe-2Dage-2Dclarity&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DnlzpB74EN26GzufFkmS84JLVEDRmQvxaqWB9imMJQE&s=HMKy5u9nDZK3Ru7H7hkkx1aYza8d_GoTA2IcH_qdo94&e=>
>
>
>
> Please check it out and share as broadly as possible. We think this is an
> important message to disseminate and get people talking about. Here is the
> “preface”:
>
>
>
> *In an ideologically-fractured culture, it is all-too-easy to lose sight
> of our common humanity. While there are many reasons for our collective
> failure to achieve consensus in the spheres of ethics and politics
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_basics_politics&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DnlzpB74EN26GzufFkmS84JLVEDRmQvxaqWB9imMJQE&s=GvhB_imgqHMRLX5ULQxFkdNTL1StTN6QM4rheRB7BgU&e=>,
> we believe that our current spiritual
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_basics_spirituality&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DnlzpB74EN26GzufFkmS84JLVEDRmQvxaqWB9imMJQE&s=BkBqJfYHpv1pjrNYENSlKNIGtpQU_ueXjeI-gZW05f4&e=>
> malaise reflects, at least in part, a breakdown in our very capacity to
> share wisdom
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_basics_wisdom&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DnlzpB74EN26GzufFkmS84JLVEDRmQvxaqWB9imMJQE&s=kjiC4X5FGEWzpT-LpUsG0sFbZ1Z9YKPkwRFHqs3D1Dc&e=>. As
> such, we believe it is important to find ways to communicate that free us
> from unnecessary confusions and allow bridges to be built between refined
> knowledge systems and fundamental common-sense propositions. In short, if
> our society is to move from confusion to clarity, wisdom must be
> consolidated and shared in a way that fosters understanding and collective
> well-being. *
>
>
>
> Would love to hear reactions or thoughts or hopes if people have them.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gregg
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D.
> Professor
> Department of Graduate Psychology
> 216 Johnston Hall
> MSC 7401
> James Madison University
> Harrisonburg, VA 22807
> (540) 568-7857 (phone)
> (540) 568-4747 (fax)
>
>
> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.*
>
> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Fcfw4yUd34KtrjbcRhJs1VpB5BPEoltH7jTmf9dJ9c0&s=RkJkmJ1kbXsKUZ9RAEaUoJPUN6C039FMJxzhBqpCwjs&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DnlzpB74EN26GzufFkmS84JLVEDRmQvxaqWB9imMJQE&s=Y4disXDPD3OoqCpHqNJ-U-wj2UMBcgvijgPpG8MnINY&e=>
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