Alexander,

Thank you for calling me out on that sentence, as I realize that my use of
the term "Logos" was unclear.

Logos in the way that Peterson utilizes comes across to me like an attempt
at reconciling internalized Christian beliefs with the nihilistic
implications of a secular and scientific view of the Universe.  He makes
the case that the Christ-figure is a perfect human ideal manifested as a
revelation through the processes of human speech.  He believes, or argues,
that the Logos is an objective, true, and persistent force in the Universe
that can be tapped into, received, and then followed.

Asking people to utilize executive functioning by thinking through the
consequences of their actions, considering others, or utilizing strategies
of reasoning to arrive at more helpful or accurate conclusions is related *but
not entirely what I understand Peterson to be saying*.  What Peterson
appears to be doing is appealing to the religious need or inclination in
others and linking that to the Jungian or Christian idea of Logos to
supercharge his narrative and make it more entertaining and compelling.  In
other words, he appears contained within a Western-Christian orb of mythos
from which his "logos" then operates, or he did quietly escape his own
mythos and then cynically monetized the insights from that journey to make
a living.

And to your other serious point, I imagine flirting with and exploiting
North-American propensities towards radical apocalyptic thinking *is* a
great way to attract 23-year-old boys.  One could convert many soft hippies
into appreciative, hard men.

The logical alternative at this point is most likely secular eco-fascism.
But we probably won't *feel* like doing that.

Big hugs,

-Chance









On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 5:13 PM Alexander Bard <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> In what way is a search for the logos a false prophet out of this crisis?
> What is the alternative? Even more mythos, when mythos is what we are
> drenched in already? Now with the timpeass industry openly admitting it is
> cynically just killing useless time for its addicts?
> Or do you have an army of 23-year-old young men who agree with you?
> Is this a serious dicussion forum or just a bunch of naive hippies?
> Seriously.
> Best intentions
> Alexander Bard
>
> Den tors 13 feb. 2020 kl 22:06 skrev Chance McDermott <
> [log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Thank you, Gregg,
>>
>> The articulation of the tension points between living in the now versus
>> long term planning, being an individual versus being a part of a group as
>> unknowns we are stuck with was validating.
>>
>> The shadow work description was succinct and helpful.
>>
>> I also appreciated hearing critical conversation about Peterson that was
>> academically and psychologically informed.  I liked hearing the clinical
>> psychologist talk about how uncertainty is a given and that a search for
>> the logos is probably a false prophet out this crisis, personally and
>> collectively.
>>
>> -Chance
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> HI Chance (and Others)
>>
>>   Given your interest in Jung, I thought you might be interested in this
>> interview about Jung, with John V and another scholar. If folks want a good
>> quick example of how the shadow works (in part), go to the 1 hour and 40
>> minute marker and listen to the description of how the speaker had split
>> off a part of himself, saw it in another and resented it, initially
>> projecting it out on to the world. Then he used his self-awareness to gain
>> insight and include and transcend that aspect of his psyche. I think this
>> is key skill for all of us to work through.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D0J8TLRUOgJo-26list-3DPLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ-26index-3D54-26t-3D0s&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Q1M7ZaS_EBF84TqYKISzcqWDJw23VLdmXechG8rrMlM&s=tAZiOLilDsKtPotXKVZmddbX-Fbsqbb8kk8GWqwVDLo&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D0J8TLRUOgJo-26list-3DPLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ-26index-3D54-26t-3D0s&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=tLnCGpFmoyMUIVzHIiCqTJ5xCZ3UBtwm7hH19zEjFsI&s=2OjcEUo-0OjCBncNueCcJedHTTaotLqC8bgycyKdMz8&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gregg
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