Rob, et.al.,
Is not delusional the absence of reflective?
I remember that brain surgeon who died visited heaven and then got undead again wrote in his book about the experience that he knows it was real because it was the most real thing he ever experienced. Unfortunately for him, that is exactly the definition of a delusion, no?
We won’t bother getting into the necessary and unprecedented errors of St Peter to allow him a peek.
Respectfully yours,
Peter
Sent from where I’m being.
> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Rob Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Absolutely, Gregg. That would be is-ness.
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> I had the same thoughts as Peter about consciousness without a body, and Deepak on the fact that the title is a little misleading.
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> But my biggest take away was that consciousness (as you’re experiencing it, pre-interpretation/analysis) is the only thing that can’t be delusion (because delusion requires misinterpreting).
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> I think this is really important for more humans to understand and have as a skill.
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>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:55 AM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Frankly, the Sam Harris clip is like sufi music, nirvana -
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>> TY
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>> On 9/21/2020 7:02 PM, Henriques, Gregg
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>>> Best,
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