I like these sorts of questions, because I find almost nobody thinks very
far with regards to what counts in justice….(and ultimately, I’m not sure
we can ever “think” far enough, although some can think farther than others)

Take the Trolly problem: it compares sacrificing lives for others in ways
that leave people totally lost about what one ought to do, were they really
in charge of events.

Or take your speeding example, which compares deaths to convenience, but
what about ripple effects? How is the economy effected by the convenience?
Can a direct causal relationship be found between the economic benefits and
lives saved on a larger scale?

Typically, with regards to justice, people seem to pick a reason that
justifies some resentment, or supports an opportunity, that causes
resentment, and I’d say this challenges the faith of everyone else.

Only a fool wants a resentment justified.





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> I have thought about it from the point of view of the speed limit. I live
> in New Zealand. We have an open road limit of 100 km/hr that results in
> around 300 death per year. If we reduced the limit to 80Km or whatever, we
> know we would reduce the road death, but actually we have determined that
> 300 deaths a year is acceptable for the convenience of getting from place
> to place.
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> Another angle is that as numbers grow in a group, requisite variety
> increases because there are more people with more skills, that creates more
> and more opportunities for growth so we co-operate, form bigger groups for
> the greater pay off, But, greater requisite variety also means greater
> difference between the parts that means greater conflict. Groups grow to
> the point of acceptable conflict - and the risk of falling into deep
> conflict or violence, a point I call the edge of conflict. Any creature not
> will to embrace an acceptable level of conflict will be out competed by
> other creatures that will and lose fitness.
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> A few months ago I came across a narrative that described an "invention"
> that increased deaths and injuries within the population to a significant
> degree and yet made things easier / more pleasant for nearly everyone. The
> story ended with a sort of moral dilemma question - asking the reader if
> they would accept the advantages of the invention even though it would mean
> also accepting the injuries/deaths it caused. The reader then answers yes
> or no and then the invention was named...it ends up being the automobile.
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> Long story to a short question...does anyone have the actual narrative of
> this moral dilemma? I cannot, for the life of me, find it online. I think
> it would be a useful tool within certain group therapy contexts and would
> love to be able to locate it.
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> Many thanks!
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> Ali
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