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I just flet like clarifying some things.
1) Some desciprtion of how global integration os taking place
2) a clarification of what a singleton is
3) My views regarding religion and consciousness relating to the Moral Apex


This is a TED talk called Who Controls The World?
*https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DvSSKpL87-5FRs&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=WRO6aQyaVltyaSGo54P6DJ9q43_f9_3vR_v2FymoBjo&e=
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DvSSKpL87-5FRs&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=WRO6aQyaVltyaSGo54P6DJ9q43_f9_3vR_v2FymoBjo&e=>*
It discusses the ongoing concentration of power by a collection of
transnational corporations. There is a clear trend towards global
integration.

Another good TED talk is on How the Net Destroyed Democracy.
*https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DrHTBQCpNm5o&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=WoCwOxa0wr8bPKdMfkG2SvS5ES-bzV2ajllltvwn7r8&e=
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DrHTBQCpNm5o&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=WoCwOxa0wr8bPKdMfkG2SvS5ES-bzV2ajllltvwn7r8&e=>*

It also reveals an ongoing integration of society through the evolution of
the media. The health of democracy has varied in different stages of the
media, and the current media is deeply harming democracy. My position is
that it would be profoundly helpful if the social media companies revealed
their information about us and all demographics to us. This would lead to a
unified agency.

I would like to reiterate that:

Yet another way in which a singleton could form is through convergent
evolution, e.g. if it turns out that all sufficiently advanced individuals
or cultures come to accept fundamentally the same values or goals. *These
common values in combination with all the individuals and cultures that
embrace them would then be an “agency” in the broad sense intended here,
and it would constitute a singleton.*
From "What is a Singleton?"
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nickbostrom.com_fut_singleton.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=b4ZjG5iXHJiZQKVjLksYSSpUn1_C-fc3mdZ9iVrSgHA&e=

Regarding China:

We shouldn't expect China to be ruled by all of the same values as the
west, but already China is cooperating with the west through the shared
value of trade as well as international agreements. It seems to me that
China is cooperating with the world more than the United States.

From the Wikipedia page on China's foreign policy:

China officially states it "unswervingly pursues an independent foreign
policy of peace"

In 2007, Foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang made a statement about the
eight-point diplomatic philosophy of China:[41]
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Foreign-5Frelations-5Fof-5FChina-23cite-5Fnote-2D41&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=zWox-a43M3M7DKqnldYSQ2SyLP7fAX7bbMT32Lp5gkw&e=>

   1. China will make judgment on each case in international affairs, each
   matter on the merit of the matter itself and it will not have double
   standards <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Double-5Fstandard&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=OMIHoQAtkvgxRsT9HwrvCJFQC2FyY3tdG6k1b2loG_U&e=>. China will
   not have two policies: one for itself and one for others. China believes
   that it cannot do unto others what they do not wish others do unto them.
   2. China advocates that all countries handle their relations on the
   basis of the United Nations Charter and norms governing international
   relations. China advocates stepping up international cooperation and is
   against unilateral politics. China should not undermine the dignity and the
   authority of the U.N. China should not impose and set its own wishes above
   the U.N. Charter, international law and norms.
   3. China advocates peaceful negotiation and consultation so as to
   resolve its international disputes. China does not resort to force, or
   threat of force, in resolving international disputes. China maintains a
   reasonable national military buildup to defend its own sovereignty and
   territorial integrity. It is not made to expand, nor does it seek invasion
   or aggression.
   4. China is firmly opposed to terrorism and the proliferation of weapons
   of mass destruction. China is a responsible member of the international
   community, and as for international treaties, China abides by all them in a
   faithful way. China never plays by a double standard, selecting and
   discarding treaties it does not need.
   5. China respects the diversity of the civilization and the whole world.
   China advocates different cultures make exchanges, learn from each other,
   and complement one another with their own strengths. China is opposed to
   clashes and confrontations between civilizations, and China does not link
   any particular ethnic group or religion with terrorism.


Regarding Religion:
The Moral Apex doesn't postulate an individuated savior or messiah. The
four components are a 1) unified body of knowledge, 2) ethics, 3) purpose
throughout a 4) integrated civilization.
I mentioned religion in my initial Moral Apex email, but my only point was
that cultural evolution seems to explain religion in a way that secular
culture hasn't yet clarified. Jordan Peterson is beginning to flush out
what the stories mean, functionally speaking, rather than what they look
like from face value. Also, consciousness is very weird. Personally, I'm
inclined towards Monism and maybe Open or Empty Individualism (the view
that we are all the same subject beneath appearances). As Alan Watts said,
we emerge out of the universe, and perhaps every subject  emerges from the
same source. Some reasons to be inclined towards this view are:
1) Philosophers of mind are constantly going on about the binding problem
2) the attentional spotlight
3) the nature of intentionality.
4) The Problem of Other Minds and Solipssim
5) The Everett view of Quantum Mechanics, that there is no collapse of the
wavefunction and it only seems to each of us like there is a collapse.
Combine this with the Many Worlds hypothesis and it seems that there is no
'universe' but only a multiverse with sensoriums as their own universe.
This is also called the Many Minds interpretation.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Many-2Dminds-5Finterpretation&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=R7Q824227x1RAWJ0I-lOQ3_FCUMUwjgoB8kSx3hyXls&e=
The *many-minds interpretation* of quantum mechanics
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Quantum-5Fmechanics&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=JBHpQ7EaMPnY7-rA5MhDPMfXHrz7UBw7rm_ydnqYYig&e=> extends the many-worlds
interpretation <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Many-2Dworlds-5Finterpretation&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=1T0bZvPBRZd0B5-YfmDOb0d6LmjSyPa1aXUkhfMUDQM&e=> by
proposing that the distinction between worlds should be made at the level
of the mind <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Mind&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=vWJmjsRN4210ZZulrCi0fAbtdKlnyxLJ4L7lscba5p0&e=> of an individual observer.

And just because it's very interesting, this is a talk on How Technology
Knows What You're Feeling:

*https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHW2SSoYteIs&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=ftBVx6mo2anTP-1jrKYkdmqxbaFRraphdbzHso2lL0g&e=
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHW2SSoYteIs&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1pojAIUdPpzFOr3OcCskBphx2tFqDBNW83Ui_umxqqA&s=ftBVx6mo2anTP-1jrKYkdmqxbaFRraphdbzHso2lL0g&e=>*

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