Interesting ideas and thoughts about consciousness.... but we also face the
problem that those who spend thousands of hours studying topics related to
consciousness don't often find time to deeply penetrate a meditation path
to the point of fruition/disclosure/awakening. It seems that those who do
have a different perspective on things, which only communities of the
adequate can discern to be delusional or not (according to a broad notion
of science, e.g. Wilber).
Someone just sent me this video <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_4t8KvdMtT4A&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fPV_RQ33bDzO5MnqSNmIRM-tnwe7RSWVK1LmdC00ek0&s=NNA0RJ0X22PPWi4XCQ1eoNXFn7Hp1NwUukj_Grxmwgo&e= >yesterday. I
don't know anything about this person or his other videos, but
the experience he describes is real and has been cross-culturally repeated
and validated for thousands of years - and it is germane to this
conversation. Folks like Sam Harris may meditate, but for various reasons
they have not had this kind of disclosure yet, and that limits their
perspective, experience, and interpretation, inevitably. They are part way
through an experiment, which they may not finish before they die. And
theories based on incomplete data are not wrong, just partial.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:41 PM James Lyons-Weiler <
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> I am ready to share a big reveal on consciousness:
>
> Where we stand in science right now - 2020 - we are a threshold peering
> into the future where we can conceive of
>
> -A comprehension of the full inputs into recognizable human consciousness
> (necessary and sufficient factors)
> -Detection of evidence and characterization of forms and "levels" of
> consciousness in other animals
> -Detection of evidence of consciousness in other life forms beyond our
> planet.
> -New consciousness derived from our technology (intentional and accidental)
>
> Note I said 'threshold' - we are peering into the future, and from the AI
> perspective, the neurobiology perspective,
> indeed Wolfram's attempt to represent the entirety of the unfolding of the
> universe based on a simple law that
> gives rise to other laws (see Lex Fridman's interview of Wolfram... 4.5
> hrs of mind-blowing new reality)...
>
> I am confident that all of the four of the above are likely ... in our
> lifetime, not necessarily in the order listed.
>
> I expect that any evidence-derived model of consciousness in general that
> is accepted as a sufficient explanation will
> (1) identify or predict accurately testable i.e., falsifiable emergent
> properties that must occur as a result of sufficient conditions
> (2) not confuse "language" or "ability to communicate" with evidence of
> consciousness
> (3) provide evidence that will alter radically how we view many species of
> animals
> (4) show us that we are still in the infancy of the evolution of
> consciousness.
>
> The hard problem of consciousness (Chalmers:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Hard-5Fproblem-5Fof-5Fconsciousness&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fPV_RQ33bDzO5MnqSNmIRM-tnwe7RSWVK1LmdC00ek0&s=KSV1lmi6PeNM5QNCiziU0XnYIdlT6d2Rphm-IAmQSmw&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Hard-5Fproblem-5Fof-5Fconsciousness&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=1so6mDQVw_bktz3onXhDt_wzojZ9g-K1ippI_BolfLE&s=shKWWd-ypZM7rf5kUbiddNmH2M5CI64F8xNvdCrw9cQ&e=>),
> the "why" question,
> is answered by the "how" question, which, of course, is evolution.
>
> We evolved awareness of others to sense our offspring, to find our
> mothers' breast to feed, to derive intent of prey and predator, and to find
> and compete for mates.
>
> My answer to Chalmers is that self-awareness is an accidental, but
> necessary consequence of logic.
>
> *My theory of self-awareness: *
> *Perhaps we are aware of ourselves simply because we are members of the
> set of individuals of which evolution has primed us, (i.e., our ancestors)
> to be aware: others.*
>
> It must have seemed like a wild trip for the first animal who became truly
> self-aware. I recall the moment I became aware that I was self-cognizant.
> I was young, looking in a mirror.
>
> "Is that really me?" I asked.
>
> The moment before that, I of course had some general awareness that I was
> separate from others, but barely.
>
> But that's all about human consciousness (and likely consciousness in
> birds, social mammals, and who knows what other animals).
>
> We are entering a stage of enmeshment of non-human influences on
> consciousness.
>
> From a psychology perspective, people are already purchasing and using
> "mood enhancement" tech. It started with clickers and stress balls, and
> there are now headsets to wear to improve your mood. LSD will "blow your
> mind". Chill out, have a beer. All conscious-altering. All "non-human
> influences" on consciousness.
>
> Meditation is a fascinating example of human-influenced consciousness,
> self-referential, that expands the mind from the constraints we perceive.
>
> But so is teaching. And experience. And reading...
>
> Non-human consciousness is nearly upon us. I'm an optimist on outcomes,
> but watch China.
>
> They are reportedly light years ahead of us in quantum computing, which is
> key to having a strategic *AI superiority* which, once achieved by any
> nation,
> cannot be caught up to because the AI will perform the evolution of the
> next AI, and that one will evolve the next, and so on, and so on.
>
> I'll be going into these in depth in upcoming episodes of our new podcast,
> #TNM3 (Talk Nerdy To Me).
>
> If you agree or disagree, and would care to be a guest on a panel, ping
> me @ [log in to unmask]
>
> stay aware,
>
> james lyons-weiler
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:56 AM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues,
>>
>> Frankly, the Sam Harris clip is like sufi music, nirvana - entertainment.
>> Looked into it slow motion, but could not find the answer to the million
>> dollar question of how consciousness arose from matter. Other than the fact
>> that the title, "consciousness arose from matter" itself holds the
>> presumption that consciousness is material. While the video promised to
>> tell how.
>>
>> TY
>> DL
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 7:02 PM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I thought this 6 minute clip on consciousness was worthwhile:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fPV_RQ33bDzO5MnqSNmIRM-tnwe7RSWVK1LmdC00ek0&s=6_02u2rBPzTEwNL2IPwW3l-NKm7NhoOeAMljAfWyBOI&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=uoPh39Cx0R40-jO6e0GYKVGfGmYd2qFDni4hgMU1cUM&s=r5tpbIWKShLHPAxouMh-jrBs5kA0MMa2t128O26UqR0&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, with the BM3 solution, we can make significant advances in
>> the “descriptive metaphysical system” that surrounds this set of claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I was thinking it might be helpful to point out how I would frame
>> his point about consciousness being the only thing we can know for certain.
>> The UTOK would say that a consciousness event is the intersection of the
>> ontic reality of being, epistemology, and ontology. That is, whatever you
>> are experiencing is real in-and-of-itself, is the product of a witnessing
>> experiencing functioning that is an ontological fundamental reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Rob Scott might put it as the moment of “is-ness”. Is that
>> fair, Rob?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>>
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