Hi Jason, thanks for sharing. I don't know anything about this and its very
interesting and relevant to my research.... not least in part for its
potential connections to the (macro ecological-economic) concept of metabolic
rift <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Metabolic-5Frift&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=5lFkDRIcngXiXBR1pYUb-01gGm6sCyeH2BqaDyKVH1Y&s=PAglC9IwWZPopHa9q4vnFWzjaA9d25IgQx2LMqpYyKE&e=>, which I suggest
everyone explore as well, in conjunction with information-.

Regards,

Brent


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:40 AM nysa71 <
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> Hi Waldemar,
>
> Thank-you for your kind words.
>
> Considering you're expertise is in the biological sciences, I would
> suspect it would be easier for you to frame information processing in terms
> information metabolism, as opposed to using the conventional computer
> metaphor of cognitive psychology.
>
> I've often wondered how well Model A in socionics
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sociotype.com_images_socionics_Model-2DA-2DGrid.jpg&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DrlBLS0XFadvCxSMIJZBohI8ueFsJNvjtiYJHWUuPu8&s=eESxjzfLTQvLgVnOxBNKuLR8Noof8NfpcTqCxG1rp1Y&e=>
> would "map onto" the ToK ---- particularly, the "Ego block" on the
> Mind-to-Culture joint point, considering that Gregg has conceptualized the
> Ego as the mental organ of Justification. Add to that the concept of
> information metabolism, and Model A maps onto the ToK even more, insofar
> that the concept of information metabolism corresponds with BIT.
>
> Plus, it was the person who developed Model A that drew an analogy between
> introversion and extraversion on the one hand, and objects and fields
> (respectively) on the other, which corresponds nicely with Gregg's
> conceptualization of behavior as a change in the object-field relationship.
>
> And Model A was also influenced by Jung's theory of psychological types.
> Jung's motivation for doing so was to explore the differences between Freud
> and Adler's theories by exploring the differences in their personalities
> --- or to put it in socionics terms: were their theoretical differences
> were a reflection of them being two different sociotypes who metabolized
> information differently? There was a spirit of theoretical unification
> there, and theoretical unification is what the ToK is ultimately all about.
>
> I also looked at your slide presentation, "Whence and Whither Knowledge
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gregghenriques.com_whence-2Dand-2Dwhither-2Dknowledge.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=DrlBLS0XFadvCxSMIJZBohI8ueFsJNvjtiYJHWUuPu8&s=9ux0RrNnJjd01HWvx1eqX9w3g4qReMhMUPCii_3zswQ&e=>"
> and wonder how much correspondence between Model A and your chart on
> "Getting from Data to Wisdom" there is. For example, in the Awareness
> column, you mention conscious & unconscious, which correspond with the
> mental & vital rings of Model A, respectively. Also, (looking at another
> one of your charts) perhaps the 16 sociotypes could be thought of as
> healthy types, but could be conceptualized as 16 unhealthy types (i.e., 16
> psychiatric disorders), when functioning at a pathological extreme, (e.g.,
> disruptions in information metabolism as Kepinski suggested?)
>
> ~ Jason
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 12:12:41 PM EST, Waldemar Schmidt <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> And, hence, Lene, it is the evolution of symbols which forms the basis of
> change in Culture, n’est pas?
> Am VERY MUCH enjoying your book BTW!
> It’s a wonderful match with the Futurica Trilogy.
> So enlightening to see multiple facets of the same history.
>
> Jason:  thank you for sharing your insights into Information Metabolism.
> I have been working some with that and socionics.
> Your perspective has helped me A LOT in acquiring understanding of both -
> your thoughts have come at just the right time for me.
> AND, there is a wonderful intersection with Lene’s Metamodernism and
> Cultural evolution.
>
> What a great list serve - thanks, Gregg!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Waldemar
>
> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD*
> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
> 503.631.8044
>
> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>
> On Feb 10, 2020, at 8:31 AM, nysa71 <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Gregg,
>
> It is interesting that you brought up Vervaeke's exploration of Jung's
> analysis of archetypes. It is from socionics where I first read of the
> concept of "information metabolism", and socionics is based on both
> information metabolism and Jung's theory of psychological types, discussed
> both here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_318643067-5FThe-5Ffoundations-5Fof-5Fsocionics-5F-2D-5FA-5Freview&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=CQQLS0j2hfLX0ilM5oFbE6r6lz7F1ahTT8ZJhbpB18I&e=>
>  and here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_319568523-5FReview-5Fof-5Fthe-5FSocionic-5FModel-5Fof-5FInformation-5FMetabolism-5Fat-5FIndividual-5FInterpersonal-5Fand-5FSocietal-5FLevels&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=9RbIvAxLG-q2czkfNsOmkpSB2D8LS9rKhc-TijtFY2M&e=>
> .
>
> Lene,
>
> In the article linked in my initial post on the evolution of metabolism
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S1550413116303011&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=TDzWb2KqN6gApeXNHLkw36bdCbHawkWPmADUdw_SCl8&e=>,
> the author mentions "food-sharing" as a possible correlate in the evolution
> of human (energy) metabolic evolution. Perhaps we could think of how
> symbols/language helped accelerate the evolution of human information
> metabolic evolution in regards to *information-sharing*. Perhaps this
> could be thought of as a feedback-loop between the evolution of
> energy-metabolism and information-metabolism over the course of human
> phylogeny.
>
> ~ Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:11:50 AM EST, Lene Rachel Andersen -
> Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Very cool indeed!
>
> So what would culture and the 4th dimension be? symbols?
>
> Now if we were to think of *symbols* metabolism, then a basic definition
> could be:
>
>    - the *symbols* processes that occur with a *society* in order to
>    maintain *culture*
>
> This would correspond with the 4th dimension of the ToK (Culture)
>
> Best,
>
> Lene
> On 10-02-2020 15:59, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>
> Very cool, Jason.
>
>
> I will need to sit on this, but I think you are definitely onto something.
>
>
> Indeed, I think John Vervaeke would find this interesting. I am on his 49
> th lecture (one to go!), where he is exploring Jung’s analysis of
> archetypes as the forms we have potential of becoming. They could be the
> information processing architectural frames that enable us to metabolize
> information in a “relevant realization” (Vervaeke’s term) to way guide our
> becoming.
>
>
> More later.
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
>
> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion
> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> *On
> Behalf Of *nysa71
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 9:41 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Information Processing Vs. Information Metabolism and BIT
>
>
> Hi ToK Society,
>
> For some time now,I've been intrigued by the concept of "information
> metabolism"
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Information-5Fmetabolism&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZrhzkaAD7RBGrjfJfa9Nrr8pbWCgXQpgq1prxAo6KCE&s=JqrLBpVEKKojUR95xJ8RExKnOpDGKwFOfKrdFmkxQmQ&e=>,
> proposed by Polish psychiatrist, Antoni Kepinski.
>
> It's an interesting metaphor. It's conventional in cognitive psychology to
> compare the mind to a computer, using the concept of information
> processing. But perhaps using a *biological* metaphor would be better as
> opposed to a *technological* metaphor. Indeed, perhaps it would be more
> useful in the development of BIT.
>
> If we were to think of *energy* metabolism, then a basic dictionary
> definition would be:
>
>
>    - the *chemical* processes that occur within a *living organism* in
>    order to maintain *life*
>
> This would correspond with the 2nd dimension of the ToK (Life)
>
> Now if we were to think of *information* metabolism, then a basic
> definition could be:
>
>    - the *informational* processes that occur with an *animal* in order
>    to maintain *mind*
>
> This would correspond with the 3rd dimension of the ToK (Mind)
>
> Furthermore, we could potentially reflect upon the energy metabolism of
> the brain, the information metabolism of the mind, and the feedback loop
> between the two, mediated by the neuron.
>
> And there's the evolution of metabolism to consider, as discussed in this
> article
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S1550413116303011&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZrhzkaAD7RBGrjfJfa9Nrr8pbWCgXQpgq1prxAo6KCE&s=MXRDlFwEqGqYVf5wqi72T6PdUVKUmt8pjmIEIAiZmik&e=>.
> It is life that evolves, not computers,(the analogy typically made by
> cognitive psychologists). Perhaps this could be another reason to think in
> terms of information metabolism --- that is, in terms of the
> evolution/phylogeny of information metabolism.
>
> Just a few thoughts.
>
> ~ Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
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