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JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]>
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tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:40:35 -0500
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Whoops! Here's the article I alluded to in the above.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 1:39 PM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> And I assume that the failure of the Enlightenment to engender psychology
> is because we don't know what 'mind' mechanistically, to this day, all due
> respect. I don't know if I sent the attached to you or not, though I think
> I gave you the 'punch line' in our phone conversation the other
> day.....that our minds are the 'software' that runs off of the Cosmologic
> Data Operating System of the Big Bang.
>
> I just freak out (literally) when I see the kind of thinking that is
> expressed in that article, as if printing DNA were as trivial as printing
> widgets on a 3D printer, willy nilly. It ignores any sense of the true arc
> of our evolutionary trajectory, which I have attempted to plumb, placing us
> at risk of becoming a silicon-based life form rather than Homo sapiens. For
> example, a computer would never have devised the Marshal Plan or the GI
> Bill, and cannot either make up or understand a joke...... Yikes!
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:58 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> A fascinating article, John. Thanks for sharing. From my vantage point,
>> this is very much about what drove me to start the Theory Of Knowledge
>> Society and what I am working on with the ToK/Garden System—and even more
>> so as I explore its connections and complementarity with Edward Kroger’s
>> Philosophy of One Divide and approach to Emotional Warfare.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that together, or models advance a new way to conceive of the
>> relationship between psychology and pragmatic philosophy. That is, they set
>> the stage to complete what was lacking in the Enlightenment. The
>> Enlightenment into modern science of the 20th Century allowed for a
>> (relatively) consilient view of physics, chemistry and biology. (I know
>> your first principles view offers a potentially revolutionary
>> transformation in our understanding of physics to physiology, but let me
>> put that aside for now).
>>
>>
>>
>> What the Enlightenment did not accomplish was the solution to the problem
>> of psychology. That is, there was no coherent, consilient bridge from
>> biology to psychology. This is evident in the fact that, to this day, the
>> only thing we psychologists have consensus on is the fact that there is no consensus
>> on how to define the concept of psychology
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201601_the-2Dis-2Dpsychology-2Dscience-2Ddebate&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZMVYwqONKZaN5iAEzHwcSNZIrkgSQNRoqmOjFAiR0k&s=04C1RJMI9hW5NqxnjJrcYsP0GyUxfIK-DBjxXntLORg&e=>.
>> This, BTW, is why (or massive evidence for) the Enlightenment was
>> profoundly incomplete.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *JOHN TORDAY
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 23, 2019 3:45 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Haiku and DNA
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear TOKers, anyone interested in discussing this article?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.berggruen.org_the-2D&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZMVYwqONKZaN5iAEzHwcSNZIrkgSQNRoqmOjFAiR0k&s=OBLdiOKPIHTwok3yuayJHoWgSOl94TI_8qMnP_1BXNE&e=
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.berggruen.org_the-2D&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jh80fo5E5WT-3XKDKJjW8PELw5wyXjxt34Ik8wxMljM&s=kKiNoEWrsU8tT54EX5xlXjmbz9utJBdyZe9vzdDecZc&e=>
>> worldpost/articles/weekend-roundup-when-the-haiku-meets-the-double-helix/?fbclid=IwAR0iMaGvfpOJS9fBcs3cSrRmMYdbVmPghxD5Esa3fTiksvUoy4ERMkq6IMM
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