Thanks Deepak. Love the imagery and example you have used to describe homogeneity in relation to physical processes, including the example of the young people dancing and constrained ever more tightly by the rope. Extremely interesting image & implications. I'll just add that there's an important literature re: the cultural level of the ToK whereby in large-scale, ethnically diverse societies, there tends to be a great deal of "sorting" that goes on both in terms of cultural and economic factors. The empirically verifiable result? A fairly high degree of neighborhood segregation -- and "homogenization", or at least far more than one would expect based on mathematical probabilities. I will definitely be using your example, though, at least in teaching statistics next term to help bring some of the numbers "to life" (students love this sort of thing I find!). Thanks for sharing your insights, -Joe
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Gregg,
While I do not intend to respond on the entire literature as I have not studied it. But I desire to comment & clarify on the homogeneity issue in early universe, as I have done some work on it and indeed some conclusions form part of my book - "Awareness & Consciousness - Discovery, distinction and evolution". Homogeneity is an obvious outcome of ultra high event density. In a tiny universe, in fact there cannot be the concept of homogeneity as there is no time. Simple example/illustration - look at a rubber band & one feels it to be pretty regular in size. Now stretch is far and you see the gross irregularities in its thickness and size. The irregularities can be seen because they are beyond human observation when the rubber band is unstretched.
Now let me put this in a different prospective. Get a group of young boys and girls to dance very very energetically on music, subject to the constraint that they have to maintain their whole body within the contraint of a circular rope, which is constantly reduced in radius.
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As the circle is reduced, collisions start occurring amongst them.
At 2nd stage, when they are jostled together literally, with no space left between them, they will loose their own vector. Which makes the group scaler (time is still alive, as it is scaler) because they can no longer move in different directions, but move together in tandem as a group.
At 3rd stage, when they are further squeezed, the group will have no possibility to even move in tandem & unison. Motor interaction among them ceases. They know become a particle-like, which means they have no internal properties. But only have external properties. But at the same time it has to be noted that the universe is one point without internal properties and internal time. Assuming there is no observer outside. There is no time at all! Termination of internal properties terminates the possibility of concept of homogeneity (in absence of time) though of course no one stops calling this condition 100% homogeneity.
Hope I have been able to clarify the idea of homogeneity in early universe in a analogous intuitive way for those with dislike of mathematics.
TY
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On 10/29/2020 2:02 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
Hi TOK Folks,
I have been trailing Roger Penrose’s work lately and found this 20 min description fascinating, because it captures my intuition about the nature of the universe.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DypjZF6Pdrws&d=DwIF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=72i6jhfvwsNSzJzIZ7QavKoSCj5E81fO0PF9R8jVpFY&s=KRqbgQyOMIPyrqndUdLjt01jthNBiL9aT4lXjW12L7M&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DypjZF6Pdrws&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Cw_xSNKpTZ8ERHbp4UFFsm78LtL64Yqn2MlOQnRbVlo&s=IXm9DwEVBsNEpxUt2itY0XxtYnJPqRpyUa9CoVaSgUU&e=>
My intuition has always been that the universe emerges out of an energy singularity from another dimension. For example, our universe is akin to a black hole in another universe on the “other side” of our singularity. When I learned of dark energy, I wondered if it might be a field around our universe that it is expanding into that will “circle back around” into a collapse back into a singularity. Here is Penrose giving a talk a couple of days ago that basically narrates this idea. That is cool. What he is missing from my theory is that it is “dark energy” that will “collect” the dispersed radiation and collapse it back into the singularity that starts the next phase in the universe anew.
The idea is that once in a singularity state, a remarkable “stochastic event” happens, whereby the photonic-gluonic pure energy/radiation plasma encounters a symmetry breaking phase shift, which starts a chain reaction that turns energy into matter. (Note, the symmetry breaking has to do with spin and the fact that a substantial set of bosons (i.e., gluons and photons) are knocked into a different ˝ spin vector which turns them into fermions with follow the Pauli Exclusion principle). This, BTW, does account for Penrose’s concern about the homogeneity of the early universe and the problem he scratches his head over regarding the second law and the issue of entropy.
Best,
Gregg
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