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Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]>
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tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]>
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Nicholas,

Talking about my current work - 'Awareness and consciousness - Discovery 
distinction and evolution. The New Upanishad' is based on first 
principles with detailed descriptions and definitions and links (so it 
is pretty much self contained). All one needs is high school physics for 
it.

Truly yours
Deepak Loomba


On 9/17/2020 4:06 AM, Nicholas Lattanzio wrote:
> I actually meant to address both of you, not sure if I forgot to hit 
> reply all or not, I have a history of forgetting to do that.
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> Regards,
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> Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.
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> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 9:21 AM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>     Slightly confused. Whether is this addressed to me or to Eric. I
>     am a novice to group correspondence and realized it is important
>     to address the mail.
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>     Truly yours
>     Deepak Loomba
>
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>     On 9/16/2020 6:33 PM, Nicholas Lattanzio wrote:
>>     Like Cole I am very interested in these models. Especially after
>>     my 'awakening' sort of peak experiences several years back. I
>>     took a physics class in undergrad on chaos and complexity, but
>>     I've never had a firm grasp on many of the concepts, and
>>     certainly not the math.
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>>     What would you recommend for me to do to better understand your
>>     works without having to devote a significant amount of time
>>     (which I don't have at all) to basically taking courses
>>     (self-taught or otherwise) on the physics involved?
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>>     Regards,
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>>     Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D.
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>>     On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:13 AM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]
>>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>         Thanks for sharing this, Eric. I don’t have time to read it
>>         right now, but I’m going to make a note to myself to read it
>>         at some point this week.
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>>         I’m very intrigued, as I generally am of work related to the
>>         nature/existence of consciousness, by the proposed solutions
>>         this offers. I took a course in my undergraduate on the
>>         Measurement Problem. It was a philosophy course, taught by a
>>         philosopher who had devoted his career to trying to
>>         solve/understand the measurement problem in QM. It was
>>         extremely insightful and interesting to learn. Some time
>>         after completing the course, I sat in on a colloquium he gave
>>         to our physics department. However, the problem seemed to
>>         fall on deaf ears. Fundamentally, this professor was trying
>>         to show how conceptually confused we are and the linguistic
>>         difficulty we face in even discussing measurement and using
>>         particle/wave language.
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>>         Anyway, given the difficulty with which he had strained
>>         himself to understand the measurement problem, and the
>>         failure of the physics community of as a whole, historically,
>>         to solve it, I’m intrigued by your offering a potential
>>         solution that is so parsimonious while also solving other
>>         difficult problems within physics.
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>>         You might find it useful to share your work with this
>>         professor - his name is Barry Ward at the University of
>>         Arkansas. I could probably dig up his email if you can’t find
>>         it online, but would like to share it with him. Feel free to
>>         let him know that one of his old students referred you if
>>         it’d be helpful.
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>>         My best,
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>>         Cole
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>>         On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
>>         <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>             Thanks, Deepak. I look forward to learning more about
>>             this during our zoom call later this week.
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>>             Best,
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>>             Gregg
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>>             *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion
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>>             *On Behalf Of *Deepak Loomba
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>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:04 AM
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>>             *Subject:* Re: Strong Emergence of Consciousness
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>>             I conceptualized ALCCO Approach, which has been found
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>>             I have generated a theory for evolution of 'intent' from
>>             spontaneity or as Jeremy Sherman puts it - 'the striving
>>             self'. The approach discovers & distinguishes between
>>             Awareness, Life, Cumconsciousness and Consciousness of an
>>             observer. In a list of discoveries
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>>             I made - the most important for psychologists is that of
>>             awareness: Awareness is inverse of
>>             stimuli-response-latency subject to three conditions.
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>>             ALCCO is also compatible with most advanced
>>             neurocognitive approaches. It beautifully explains the
>>             differences between local and general anesthesia induced
>>             local and general 'unconsciousness', deep sleep
>>             unconsciousness and unconsciousness during a collapse
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>>             and death. It also explains, why human body parts do not
>>             die with person - we routinely are transplanting 'live'
>>             parts of dead people into other people alive. And all of
>>             this has been explained in a physico-logical approach.
>>             Undeniably some abductive thinking
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>>             and reasoning is used, but it is largely using deductive
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>>             My talk on ALCCO Approach, presented at the currently
>>             on-going 'Science of Consciousness' conference at Tucson,
>>             Univ. of Arizona is available @
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>>             https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_P-2DAX7X1-2D3ww-3Ft-3D4625&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=eVuycJ3APFs-oH1d6J62ombzXTeLl9EBTG-yJIN3jBQ&s=259O0qFRBe2uJTSVXKRibVLgoF8fYXGh7_WsSeGB3K4&e= 
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>>             Summary of the Book 'Awareness & Consciousness -
>>             Discovery, Distinction & Evolution - The New Upanishad'
>>             with (i) Preface, (ii) Foreword, (iii) Contents of Entire
>>             Book & a (iv)summarized content is available @
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>>             https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1fr2hE8ER-5FIxIaE8tSws2dMcsql9yuiuSPUmo6mKVrnU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=eVuycJ3APFs-oH1d6J62ombzXTeLl9EBTG-yJIN3jBQ&s=zq9cXvEey_Qqz_NgHFr9rxHv9VPz_UkGnnNuM5eOjGA&e= 
>>             <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1fr2hE8ER-5FIxIaE8tSws2dMcsql9yuiuSPUmo6mKVrnU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JLS7W3H5-VbAYmmon62sekbHt1F9-qaj4CqTwCEj_ac&s=MsKKY0IamnhiwZ40q2kaCX1CK7hzaBa79s35hzfc7w4&e=>
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>>             <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.in_Awareness-2DConsciousness-2DUpanishad-2DDeepak-2DLoomba_dp_1692201220&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JLS7W3H5-VbAYmmon62sekbHt1F9-qaj4CqTwCEj_ac&s=44wVc7GwEPTJ89WBHO6eWtWQFk1o9s6lVBXRTASpc1g&e=>
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>>             Will love to access your critique and then your support
>>             to polish the concept, refine it along with you to make
>>             it worthwhile.
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>>             Truly yours
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>>             Deepak Loomba
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>>                 integral models will bare resemblance to each other,
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>>                     On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:11 AM, easalien
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>>                     Having recently joined this forum, I could really
>>                     use your collective intelligence on this. Recent
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>>                     Several months ago, I successfully modeled
>>                     consciousness as a black hole analog using
>>                     Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking, e.g. Big Bang,
>>                     Electroweak, Baryogenesis, Homochirality, etc.
>>                     The Mind/Body Separation acts as an event horizon
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>>                     The attached model strikingly resembles the ToK
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>>                     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_14qttxyDqPLcdrJNlh64htgtPKJO7pfQpvHTTiLneIDQ_edit&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3bfjpoxZQg2Hgj8SYyWUtt7q36B-CUjFtoFflUcVPuo&s=enC2hNMgcEtgMsoiV7RrLIeDvhSHD4DaSQQPdACUsiQ&e=>
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>>                     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_playlist-3Flist-3DPLZEUEIClmzxJ-2DN0PhLzrd2DGgb-5F1DhAoH&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3bfjpoxZQg2Hgj8SYyWUtt7q36B-CUjFtoFflUcVPuo&s=LWmXjUKU5gCehxPLOjxgbZ-I4ylQrkKRRKHZuzvjGlw&e=>
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