Tyler, Appreciating your reply. We do have much incentive to embody eternal optimism. Decisively erecting the TOK as our personal immortality project, in part for the explicit sake of participating in an immortality project to satisfy the fundamental need to do so, is a humorous thought. Warmly, -Chance On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 2:51 PM James Tyler Carpenter < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Faith, Chance. > > Humans always search and construct something and then fight to the death > over it with others who have done the same thing. We are currently in the > process of doing that in the corner of the world where people have behaved > that way since the Bronze Age. We are having our Iron Curtain moment. > > I don’t know that psychoanalysis is the problem of psychology or that it > is what we have in psychoanalysis is because we have the problem of > psychology. > > I enjoy TOK and we will erect something because that’s what humans do. I > get frustrated with human nature but I have faith in it. > > Warmly, > Tyler > > James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP > www.metispsych.com > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Vwb_zeePA_GJUS6ebvqV9aUpnh78aY-xsGdUYf1dTgI&s=sBwzL80Z2ehayedotwW_Wi3AUcgq2LKM-gzuALYL0hY&e= > ------------------------------ > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Chance McDermott < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 3:38:48 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Karl Friston > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Tyler, > > Yes! We are waiting for some kind of Godot. *From the TOK perspective*, > we will continue to feel rising anxiety and be at risk for running amok due > to a lack of superordinate and shared justification system that can make > sense of our current and ongoing reality. > > When you mention a "post-psychoanalytic" world, I wonder if you mean > psychology's confusion about the value of individuation and ego > strengthening versus relativism and the allure of collectivist and eastern > values? Curious also about what you think is missing from the current > discourse on what our loadstar is or could be? > > -Chance > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 5:31 AM James Tyler Carpenter < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Too often in this post psychoanalytic era of research the mind and brain > are wandering about like characters in a play by Beckett or Pirandello;-) > > James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP > www.metispsych.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttp-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.metispsych.com-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253Dc4G1vZGjNdJY2unNslsnp-2DhnWyQRI148S8tr9wslt5g-2526s-253DXgN7K-2DVG7T9I56gqiXv3vEZxJvzXF-5FzGZLy4KAeO9hg-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257C22052722e7084657ea7b08d9f70c8859-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637812455485603351-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3DkHFZs2Wxr4e9-252FmHHVjiBMziF6aBZ9QXn0ePdKVAlA3I-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMF-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=QvuUgTdobuC6R5FzsNiE_-AOs9fYkQtN4S0M9mpCvxg&s=2Eutgh4N4f3fphFoyxup-_aRTcxJhiZTFyaZFJeZMq4&e=> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Vwb_zeePA_GJUS6ebvqV9aUpnh78aY-xsGdUYf1dTgI&s=sBwzL80Z2ehayedotwW_Wi3AUcgq2LKM-gzuALYL0hY&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttp-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.experts.com-5FExpert-2D2DWitnesses-5Fsearch-2D3Fkeyword-2D3DClinical-2D2520psychology-2D26keywordsearchtype-2D3DAll-2D2520Words-2D26category-2D3DClinical-2D2520forensic-2D2520-2D26categorysearchtype-2D3DAny-2D2520Word-2D26name-2D3DJames-2D2520tyler-2D2520carpenter-2D26namesearchtype-2D3DAll-2D2520Words-2D26company-2D3DMetis-2D26companysearchtype-2D3DAll-2D2520Words-2D26address-2D3D-2D2520-2D26addresssearchtype-2D3DAll-2D2520Words-2D26state-2D3DMA-2D26statesearchtype-2D3DAny-2D2520Word-2D26country-2D3DALL-2D2520-2D28or-2D2520Choose-2D2520a-2D2520Country-2D29-2D26countrysearchtype-2D3DAll-2D2520Words-2D26page-2D3D1-2D26freshsearch-2D3D1-2526d-253DDwMFaQ-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253Dc4G1vZGjNdJY2unNslsnp-2DhnWyQRI148S8tr9wslt5g-2526s-253D9zdi3EUMXFdS3kp-2DSuM6-2DLyQ3fFdnYLg3qNj4Z-5FtHHg-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257C22052722e7084657ea7b08d9f70c8859-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637812455485603351-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3D57ZH51HT5t-252BWayn6l7XX59J4NE1YlCSQ23xtM96y66I-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMF-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=QvuUgTdobuC6R5FzsNiE_-AOs9fYkQtN4S0M9mpCvxg&s=mGPcS06HDfMHhN5-6X1ABurwu5cBVuKIDj5_UKg16n4&e=> > ------------------------------ > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 6:25:40 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Karl Friston > > > This looks great, thanks for sharing. I like Friston’s work very much. > > > > I presented at his Active Inference lab a bit ago: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DZvwt-2D98kcFM&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Vwb_zeePA_GJUS6ebvqV9aUpnh78aY-xsGdUYf1dTgI&s=WnvyOFEDgLux20tFt5I3HlE9L0ustm1xZ9VmtAYSR_M&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fnam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com-5F-2D3Furl-2D3Dhttps-2D253A-2D252F-2D252Fwww.youtube.com-2D252Fwatch-2D253Fv-2D253DZvwt-2D2D98kcFM-2D26data-2D3D04-2D257C01-2D257C-2D257C748969661fe249cf845f08d9f6bf3fea-2D257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-2D257C1-2D257C0-2D257C637812123555520093-2D257CUnknown-2D257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-2D253D-2D257C3000-2D26sdata-2D3DIVK-2D252FWv8LGmvlC1Z-2D252FTFipFfcXwBgCQK-2D252Bdj6KepFFP-2D252FgE-2D253D-2D26reserved-2D3D0-2526d-253DDwMF-2Dg-2526c-253DeLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn-5F5nBEmmeq0-2526r-253DHPo1IXYDhKClogP-2DUOpybo6Cfxxz-2DjIYBgjO2gOz4-2DA-2526m-253DoFrSm324TRhtYTyJMMlOxPNN1HFPzqm5WjOt1CPiIL8-2526s-253DNdqF1Px3t1NwKlVgv-5Fp83IVCiWiGMCh5TBzYVSuG9pI-2526e-253D-26data-3D04-257C01-257C-257C22052722e7084657ea7b08d9f70c8859-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C637812455485603351-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26sdata-3DDYPwe6Hk8TK15ILasCG-252BR4DI3gFuRIaGFqxHqUaLzAg-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMF-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=QvuUgTdobuC6R5FzsNiE_-AOs9fYkQtN4S0M9mpCvxg&s=ndkCynRfULi-a2XQpp7FmptiJn8iHhlw9hAIbvvxeDY&e=> > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Chance McDermott > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:49 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Karl Friston > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Cool! Thank you, Tim > > > > -Chance > > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:32 PM Tim Pickerill <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > This is a fascinating conversation, at 1:20 they talk about > "derealization" of the psyche/self in the process of consciousness > introspection and exploration. Also they talk about model and data analysis > of both world views and hypotheses. > Karl Friston on the Perils of Investigating Consciousness, Derealization & > the Free Energy Principle > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DSWtFU1Lit3M&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Vwb_zeePA_GJUS6ebvqV9aUpnh78aY-xsGdUYf1dTgI&s=fvfvrj2MkNjPVshKDrvQNr2Mnu3GoiobpKzfftV7tAo&e= > 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