Thanks Gregg, I had not come across Lene Rachel Andersen before.
On 2/09/2021 11:48 pm, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
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> Hi Victor,
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> Thanks for this.
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> I agree with the basic sentiment. That is, stage theories are
> dangerous when arranged in a hierarchy that lays out a simple “growth
> to goodness” formula and suggests that some people are better or more
> highly developed than others. It is a recipe for trouble and results
> in much bathwater.
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> At the same time, the stage theories of Piaget, Michael Commons, and
> even Wilber, clearly have value, at least IMO. Thus, there is a baby
> in there. In UTOK, I tend to emphasize the broad human psychological
> developmental view of: child, adult, sage. The first is
> “pre-conventional” and engages in concrete justifications. The second
> is a conventional socialized agent who has the full capacities of a
> person. The third is post-conventional and enters into a trans-egoic
> state of justification. Note, if one starts to compete amongst the
> sages to see who the higher sage, we have regressed into conventional
> egoic justification.
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> At the societal level, I use the meta-justificatory values of
> dignity and well-being with integrity to evaluate where societies are
> ethically. That is, to the extent that a society cultivates dignity
> and well-being with integrity is better than societies that do not.
> The modern Nordic societies are better than Hitler’s Nazism. That is
> hardly a profound insight. But the point is that there is a universal
> moral-ethical backbone that can be used to evaluate societies.
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> Finally, I like Lene Rachel Andersen’s take on metamodernity. Properly
> interpreted, it lays out four cultural sensibilities in terms of oral
> indigenous, traditional, modern, and postmodern and highlights
> emphases and values in all four and orients toward a metamodern
> sensibility embraces the best of these. A similar view is expressed by
> Steve McIntosh in his Developmental Politics.
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> Best,
> Gregg
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> Here is a discussion between Robert Ryaan nad Nora Bateson. There are
> some real issues that need to be grappled with and put into context,
> but it odes feel like the baby has gone out with the bathwater.
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8ZNPE4spRok&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lBxgwfs0lIiAkXHOXI1rXfpsRQGI1cRqwif-Ja-brVo&s=nzQRckZ9qA4fnS2zCACTMPjn6Go_lMspuYlZGhF7HaM&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8ZNPE4spRok&d=DwMCaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fQILl_hOmU-m86RsdT8i8ZoWYQWsrmP9Ed7rYLP7fs8&s=OTfEjs0tM93zXSyUlZZP5MM4W8guNGRokzT9F6L7-kM&e=>
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