Thank you for this comment, Manuel. I very much agree that one of the keys that was overlooked is the relationship between language, self-consciousness adds key confusions. I also wish he was clear that the only clear examples of consciousness we have are things that are first alive, so it really is more how Matter becomes Life becomes conscious.
Also, let me extend a warm welcome to Manuel Manga, as he recently joined the list. Manuel and I had a truly wonderful conversation the other week. He has a magnificent and crucial vision for “evolutionary leadership<http://evolutionleader.com/pages/manuel-manga/>”, which is desperately needed in this time between worlds. His humanistic/spiritual/scientific vision is very congruent with the ToK System and larger Unified Theory Of Knowledge and I am thrilled he has joined our community. It is worth noting that he worked with Humberto Maturana, who, along with Francisco Valera. wrote the ground breaking book, The Tree of Knowledge: The Biological Roots of Human Understanding<https://www.amazon.com/Tree-Knowledge-Biological-Roots-Understanding/dp/0877736421>. My naming my system the Tree of Knowledge in the 2000s was, somewhat embarrassingly, completely coincidental. If I had done a better job in my literature review, I would have come across there work. Nonetheless, it was very affirming to read as it was a brilliant exposition that offered one of the most advanced, consilient pictures of human knowledge that had been offered to date.
I look forward to future conversations and possible collaborations.
Best,
Gregg
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris Six Minute Clip
Hi Folks,
I agree that matter gives rise to consciousness. physics to chemistry to biology to brain, to mind, to language. to me language is key to self and consciousness.
i wish that harris and others spent less time worrying about robots, the matrix and ai, and he would focused more on how we can transform-evolve our minds- consciousness-meta-narratives from a destructive species toward a more sustainable-ethical- and flourishing species.
we are heading toward some big crisis, so let's be part academics-part evolutionary leaders.
best,
manuel manga
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:33 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I thought this 6 minute clip on consciousness was worthwhile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaDlIlqygE<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2FLqeiUFHf77Lo3raMI1QZAmIRjUxqXYC5HlbkqP5Ro&s=t49LFwBP5LSG1xmnqwKZ3-LKlRH7a_1qhPnJ-L5hRQc&e=>
Of course, with the BM3 solution, we can make significant advances in the “descriptive metaphysical system” that surrounds this set of claims.
Also, I was thinking it might be helpful to point out how I would frame his point about consciousness being the only thing we can know for certain. The UTOK would say that a consciousness event is the intersection of the ontic reality of being, epistemology, and ontology. That is, whatever you are experiencing is real in-and-of-itself, is the product of a witnessing experiencing functioning that is an ontological fundamental reality.
I think Rob Scott might put it as the moment of “is-ness”. Is that fair, Rob?
Best,
Gregg
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