And, hence, Lene, it is the evolution of symbols which forms the basis of change in Culture, n’est pas?
Am VERY MUCH enjoying your book BTW!
It’s a wonderful match with the Futurica Trilogy.
So enlightening to see multiple facets of the same history.

Jason:  thank you for sharing your insights into Information Metabolism.
I have been working some with that and socionics.
Your perspective has helped me A LOT in acquiring understanding of both - your thoughts have come at just the right time for me.
AND, there is a wonderful intersection with Lene’s Metamodernism and Cultural evolution.

What a great list serve - thanks, Gregg!

Best regards,

Waldemar

Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
(Perseveret et Percipiunt)
503.631.8044

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> On Feb 10, 2020, at 8:31 AM, nysa71 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Gregg,
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> It is interesting that you brought up Vervaeke's exploration of Jung's analysis of archetypes. It is from socionics where I first read of the concept of "information metabolism", and socionics is based on both information metabolism and Jung's theory of psychological types, discussed both here <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_318643067-5FThe-5Ffoundations-5Fof-5Fsocionics-5F-2D-5FA-5Freview&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=CQQLS0j2hfLX0ilM5oFbE6r6lz7F1ahTT8ZJhbpB18I&e=> and here <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_319568523-5FReview-5Fof-5Fthe-5FSocionic-5FModel-5Fof-5FInformation-5FMetabolism-5Fat-5FIndividual-5FInterpersonal-5Fand-5FSocietal-5FLevels&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=9RbIvAxLG-q2czkfNsOmkpSB2D8LS9rKhc-TijtFY2M&e=>. 
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> Lene,
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> In the article linked in my initial post on the evolution of metabolism <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S1550413116303011&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nYMWb-GOPn2qAlDKhLXA3mNOCOta_-v6yAZvTIRK8f4&s=TDzWb2KqN6gApeXNHLkw36bdCbHawkWPmADUdw_SCl8&e=>, the author mentions "food-sharing" as a possible correlate in the evolution of human (energy) metabolic evolution. Perhaps we could think of how symbols/language helped accelerate the evolution of human information metabolic evolution in regards to information-sharing. Perhaps this could be thought of as a feedback-loop between the evolution of energy-metabolism and information-metabolism over the course of human phylogeny.
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> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 10:11:50 AM EST, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Very cool indeed!
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> So what would culture and the 4th dimension be? symbols?
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> Now if we were to think of symbols metabolism, then a basic definition could be:
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> the symbols processes that occur with a society in order to maintain culture
> This would correspond with the 4th dimension of the ToK (Culture)
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> Best,
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> Lene
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> On 10-02-2020 15:59, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
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> Very cool, Jason.
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> I will need to sit on this, but I think you are definitely onto something.
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> Indeed, I think John Vervaeke would find this interesting. I am on his 49th lecture (one to go!), where he is exploring Jung’s analysis of archetypes as the forms we have potential of becoming. They could be the information processing architectural frames that enable us to metabolize information in a “relevant realization” (Vervaeke’s term) to way guide our becoming.
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> More later.
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> Best,
> Gregg
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> From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of nysa71
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> Hi ToK Society,
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> For some time now,I've been intrigued by the concept of "information metabolism" <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Information-5Fmetabolism&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZrhzkaAD7RBGrjfJfa9Nrr8pbWCgXQpgq1prxAo6KCE&s=JqrLBpVEKKojUR95xJ8RExKnOpDGKwFOfKrdFmkxQmQ&e=>, proposed by Polish psychiatrist, Antoni Kepinski.
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> It's an interesting metaphor. It's conventional in cognitive psychology to compare the mind to a computer, using the concept of information processing. But perhaps using a biological metaphor would be better as opposed to a technological metaphor. Indeed, perhaps it would be more useful in the development of BIT.
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> If we were to think of energy metabolism, then a basic dictionary definition would be:
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> the chemical processes that occur within a living organism in order to maintain life
> This would correspond with the 2nd dimension of the ToK (Life)
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> Now if we were to think of information metabolism, then a basic definition could be:
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> the informational processes that occur with an animal in order to maintain mind
> This would correspond with the 3rd dimension of the ToK (Mind)
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> Furthermore, we could potentially reflect upon the energy metabolism of the brain, the information metabolism of the mind, and the feedback loop between the two, mediated by the neuron.
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> And there's the evolution of metabolism to consider, as discussed in this article <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S1550413116303011&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ZrhzkaAD7RBGrjfJfa9Nrr8pbWCgXQpgq1prxAo6KCE&s=MXRDlFwEqGqYVf5wqi72T6PdUVKUmt8pjmIEIAiZmik&e=>. It is life that evolves, not computers,(the analogy typically made by cognitive psychologists). Perhaps this could be another reason to think in terms of information metabolism --- that is, in terms of the evolution/phylogeny of information metabolism.
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> Just a few thoughts.
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