Hi Brent and List, thanks Brent for your patience in trying to understand
how my 'take' on evolution differs from Darwin. And yes, your paraphrasing
is correct, so I hope that's helpful. And as for 'which quality is red a
label for' as I had said, perhaps it is blood? There is an article in the
literature that hypothesizes that color vision evolved from blood, which I
will try to find. John
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:15 PM Brent Allsop <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Hi John,
>
>
>
> I think I’m starting to better understand what you are saying. Let me see
> if I can repeat what you are talking about, to see if I’m starting to
> understand.
>
>
>
> Darwinian evolution models only really model things like achieving more
> offspring. Whereas considering cell-cell communication in embryologic
> development as central better models homeostasis superimposed on
> phylogeny. This is a better way to understand the process of evolution.
>
>
>
> I still have a question for you, about what you mean when you say: “perhaps
> we see *'red'* when we are writhing in pain because it references
> bleeding as a process related to pain”. I understand what you mean,
> abstractly. But I have no idea what you mean, qualitatively. In order to
> know what red means, qualitatively, you must tell me which physical quality
> it is a label for. Since you never do this, I can’t know what you mean,
> qualitatively, when you use the term *“red”.*
>
>
>
> So that is my question, which physical quality do you consider red to be a
> label for?
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:10 AM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Gregg, Brent, Aeon and List, if I could just jump in here, much of
>> what is being said by all needs IMHO to be reconsidered in light of the
>> difference between descriptive and mechanistic Biology/Physiology. So for
>> example, semiotics is a description of what I have been referring to with
>> respect to the centrality of cell-cell communication in embryologic
>> development and homeostasis superimposed on phylogeny as the way to
>> understand the process of evolution. That's very different from Darwinian
>> evolution based on a reproductive strategy for more offspring, which is a
>> materialistic viewpoint. In terms of Brent's quest for answering the 'Hard
>> Question' of Qualia, I think the answer lies in the way I have recalibrated
>> Pleiotropy, the capacity of biology to recombine/repermute the same gene
>> for multiple purposes over the course of evolution. Up until now that
>> phenomenon has remained a fascinoma, but seen in the context of evolution,
>> it is explained by the pre-adaptational strategy of reutilizing genes under
>> duress as the most economical way of solving existential problems
>> evolutionarily. In the context of Qualia, perhaps we see 'red' when we are
>> writhing in pain because it references bleeding as a process related to
>> pain, the two processes being linked through common cellular-molecular
>> signaling mechanisms. As for Aeon, I fully ascribe to the idea that we need
>> to address how to re-synthesize philosophy and empiricism if I am correct
>> in thinking that we've gotten evolution 'backwards' and that the
>> unicellular state is the primary level of selection based on the emerging
>> knowledge of epigenetic inheritance. With the Best of Intentions. John
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:42 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> A friend sent this essay in Aeon on the relationship between
>>> philosophy and science and the need to return to a natural philosophy
>>> approach:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=yPNhQu3fTwa8CN4mnGXmIqManWLs6Nk66UbxKdMnQxM&s=9HyZ6oO8q2iqr0K2vMKgfK9B4EL4vZorpz0tiZWpk60&e=
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=0_AzQ9yI47iQK9ucAwT5NR2XIcx2ABsrsNB05yuKWPY&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am on Maxwell’s Friends of Wisdom list as I became aware of his work
>>> several months ago. It is a similar, although also different vision for
>>> philosophy and science than the ToK System offers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> G
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________
>>>
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>>> Professor
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>>>
>>>
>>> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.*
>>>
>>> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at:
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=yPNhQu3fTwa8CN4mnGXmIqManWLs6Nk66UbxKdMnQxM&s=eF1VjsRbRcjdJ8-2cKwBrQO6BYnW_vnh5wljG-NqEqI&e=
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=hPnpDpg37-IlprEcDtCmrkgtNgPexNBHLnt_yDLVIXo&e=>
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