Gregg,
There are only three options:
1) singularity technology- the elites run a.i. and a.i Runs everything
2) antisingularity technology- the decentralists augment themselves as
individuals and fight the singularity
3) the luddites - the periphery , the lower classes of the world system.
The luddites have never won the struggle for power in the history of the
world . They are the marginalized peoples. They survive by being agrarian
at the margins of power, often among the poorest peoples. And they lack the
technology to fight back
The existence of luddite communities will entirely depend on someone else
fighting for them and protecting them.
In short, if there are no antisingularity forces there will be no luddites
to speak of. The luddites are powerless against the isn't of the
singularists. Just look outside the window.
If peoole choose to be luddites they will choose to be part of the
peripheral world and be entirely dependent on the antisingularity
contingent to preserve their existence. I'm fine with that. There will be
places for you to live in the world. Can go live in Bali or Bhutan. Or some
other peripheral country that is still committed to agriculture and has
wages of less than $5 A-day.
But if you want to live in a country like the United States or in Europe
you really do not have a loot eyed option you only have the option of being
a singularist or an anti singularist.
I'm an antisingularist. That means I need to have equivalent technology to
the singularists to fight them.
Seriously if this is the level of discourse regarding what's going on in
our Rebel Alliance, we have nearly lost already.
Game A is on steroids and there's no time for hiding under rocks and
playing with old technology.
Please I caution every one of you : singularity technology is already
arriving. There's no time for this sort of abstract again debate. You can't
pretend like VR won't happen. It already is. You can't pretend like a.i.
isn't already happening. It is. You can't pretend like BiG Tech doesn't
already control most of the world's data. They already Do. Not only do
they have access to all the data comments but they also control most of the
data we do not have access to. Not only are power laws getting out of
control of control but we're already into dystopian it's utopian crypto
trading environments where pure greed has run rampant. Crypto is
approaching 3 trillion dollars. more young people are quitting their jobs
to day trade. Nearly 5% of people surveyed under age 40 who made less than
$50,000 a year quit their jobs during the pandemic permanently so they can
trade.
My friends are already fighting the war NOW. Directly. I already told you
my Alliance is not merely a philosophy guild. I'm working with sustainable
entrepreneurship, I'm working with the morally positive side of the
cryptoverse. I'm working with thr hackerverse.
You go big or you go home. You meet the forces of greed
technology-for-technology or you're gonna lose the majority of society to
them. Debating hiding in ludditr spaces is the post selfish response to the
technology tsunami of this decade. The selfless thing to do is to get to
work on keeping pace with the centers of power. Or else you've already
lost.
Robert
On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 7:20 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> The way Jordan Hall and I discuss it is whether or not we are envisioning
> the continued extension of a “techno-humanist man” that attempts to get
> further and further away from or above the “rest of nature” versus a vision
> that interlocks technological evolution with the “wisdom stack” and returns
> to a more embedded, holistic, Energy-Information nested web of Matter,
> Life, Mind, and Culture into the Digital Metaverse that must be coordinated
> and aligned (as opposed to an Artificial Intelligence Singularity that
> functions to separate and control the other domains).
>
>
>
> *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion <
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> Lene
>
>
>
> You are completely and utterly reading me backwards
>
>
>
> Do you even know who Michel Bauwens is?
>
> THATS MY WRITING PARTNER on on systems theory 3.0.
>
>
>
> I'm saying this very clearly: you don't have a choice as to the direction
> of technology. That's not even a conversation starter.
>
>
>
> Your only choose is to match wits with wits and play the game at the same
> level or lose.
>
>
>
> You either compete with the singularity at the same scale or you get
> squashed like a bug.
>
>
>
> If a global commons movement is capitalism then....well.... the English
> language has been perverted.
>
>
>
> I'm in shock that you think think can stop the progress of technology
> rather than fight for its control against the singularists
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 2:33 AM Lene Rachel Andersen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> It almost sounds as if Robert is longing for totalitarian mind-controlling
> capitalism where the depressions created by lack of human intimacy will be
> cured with still more psycho-pharmaceuticals.
>
> Robert, what kind of future do you really hope for?
>
> / Lene
>
> On 09-11-2021 02:55, lee simplyquality.org
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__simplyquality.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XF14CsY34wF4B0mefiRPpGg9a2zCOECuX36egcYo2-o&s=bYEKlWRLz5flM9o-kCrGGn6bUJuPCKxOx3BWsVPsiAE&e=>
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> Regarding creating an information collection point / hub for sharing
> ideas for the next big thing, I suggest expanding the existing Level 5
> Research center to accommodate this function.
>
> See: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Level-5F5-5FResearch-5FCenter&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=k98ImMFDQegaV0-3yTttyPeWyDl98sZCNb3Lqhbtv6o&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Level-5F5-5FResearch-5FCenter&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=F2v-1wqX63w06Y9yGCXW-7mZ4J9fkZ8fKLK_Ry1qiYU&s=FxjZ-J8J6SfmnM3hZyYXZjHugeh_ijCNypNHXHBTqs0&e=>
>
>
>
> Wikiversity is a freely available, open, and sustainable platform.
>
> I created the L5 research center to provide a focus for exploring “the
> next big thing”.
>
> We can add to the list under the existing topic of “Projects” or I can add
> a new section called “Adjacent On-Going Work” or so.
>
>
>
> If you have projects to suggest, (And I have some queued up in this list
> of “Aligned Organizations” See:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Talk-3ALevel-5F5-5FResearch-5FCenter-23Aligned-5FOrganizations&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=0nvAV0IrtG5AVDmr5UacAPvNCaVAvupLqrlMDkIelaE&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Talk-3ALevel-5F5-5FResearch-5FCenter-23Aligned-5FOrganizations&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=F2v-1wqX63w06Y9yGCXW-7mZ4J9fkZ8fKLK_Ry1qiYU&s=5KF4Zs2gKSfF8J1hfkz5Vne9RKFjRJlFa2mcST3IueM&e=> )
> please let me know.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Lee
>
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 2:36 AM, Brandon Norgaard <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Gregg asked about this during our Emerge Gathering debrief meeting but I
> didn’t have time to give a full response. There are quite a number of
> organizations, cooperatives, websites, email lists, Mighty Networks,
> Discords that are adjacent or somehow sympathetic. One common thread is
> the recognition of the meta-crisis, or some aspect of it (political,
> economic, public health, educational, environmental, socio-cultural, and
> meaning). Layman Pascal envisions a Venn-diagram with 3 partially
> overlapping circles for the most important intellectual movements:
> Integral, Metamodern, and GameB. Some people and organizations might fall
> within one or two of these, and some all three.
>
>
>
> Last summer, a few of us got together to try to figure out how we might
> leverage technology to understand what people and what organizations have
> what values, approaches, theories, and goals and what other people and
> organizations might be able to partner with them to reach those goals. Who
> is doing what? How do we categorize this? Who is potentially connected to
> whom? How good of a job is each organization doing toward their stated
> goals?
>
>
>
> I figured we could have a website and app that would provide this
> information in the form of lists and tables and Venn-diagrams created on
> the fly. Lene suggested a directory that people would have to pay a small
> fee periodically in order to keep their information searchable. I agreed
> that would at least answer the question of how to begin to pay for such a
> system, I also figured it would be more robust and useable if it would
> automatically and pro-actively mine this data from a variety of sources.
> Kåre Wangel and I took this concept to Jim Rutt back in August and he said
> it would possibly be interesting to consider within his “Big Change
> Coalition”. Kåre and I were hoping for an opportunity to present this idea
> to Rutt’s group (which I think includes the heavy hitters Gregg
> mentioned). We haven’t got a response from him yet. We’re both too busy
> to work on it ourselves, but we wanted to give the idea for others to run
> with it and see what they come up with.
>
>
>
> As a start, Marcus Gabler put together this website and has a directory of
> many of the organizations
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mille-2Dplateaux.com_sensemaking-2Dphilosophy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=kGx6LmNMexZUcJoMm-DIOV9mB7HBXngy5Iqah9g3r3A&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.mille-2Dplateaux.com_sensemaking-2Dphilosophy&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=jGM8GuM333UPtUztylI7TlmYaE_LWUtjIbukfk4IWaE&e=> although
> it is not interactive nor queryable and has limited entries right now.
> Layman also had a map he showed during his appearances on RW and The Stoa
> that offered a few examples of organizations and intellectual movements
> adjacent to Integral Theory https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_k6uUAS0wCCo-3Ft-3D1932&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=3CXslyzeHJaOBwWwjDw_b99fJ3xzEo6WZ-TA5oHd7r4&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_k6uUAS0wCCo-3Ft-3D1932&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=Jtebrd9-uK8qyKgBjIN0HPpS9ctuDckCRWLTZ_6hs-U&e=>
>
>
>
> I’m not sold on this term “Rebel Alliance”. It sounds a bit Star Warsy,
> but this greater movement is likely to have different names that appeal to
> different people.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
> *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:36 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: TOK Some Fun/Interesting Conversations
>
>
>
> Thanks, Andrew.
>
>
>
> I completely agree with you that we need this. The topic came up at some
> point and I recall folks mentioning that some people may have worked on
> this, but I did not follow up at the time and now the reference escapes me.
> If others know of this kind of thing, please share.
>
>
>
> When I built the UTOK website back in the summer of last year, I put up
> this page on related perspectives, which could be a start, but clearly is
> missing many possible pieces:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_content_related-2Dperspectives&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=Kt9pfG1ZEd8ZnL4vjmT_XncjXTBbIHjorOXZYP8_-6w&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_content_related-2Dperspectives&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3NU27uSyZExZrpWe9cvRaYBKgaknJFstZs7fvBvOVsg&s=NFpDRfZIfUV5E2Z6vxB4JqEUg_xZIZyNJngy3OcxCdY&e=>
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>
>
> Best,
>
> G
>
>
>
> *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Robinson
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> Hey Gregg,
>
>
>
> Thanks for sending this. Does anyone know if someone has put together a
> “map of the Rebel Alliance” with key contributors and their specialties as
> well as resource links for websites/podcasts/ etc.? It would be great for
> newcomers that may have been behind a discourse boundary to see the various
> communities instead of having to slowly discover them one by one.
>
>
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> *From:* theory of knowledge society discussion <
> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:42 AM
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> *Subject:* TOK Some Fun/Interesting Conversations
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Last week I had a ton of interesting conversations. I had the good
> fortune to connect with both Bonnitta Roy and Forrest Landry. Both are
> “heavy hitters” when it comes to this Metamodern/Game B/IDW/UTOK/Stoa/Rebel
> Wisdom/Integral world. From my vantage point, I felt able to readily “sync
> up” with both Bonnitta and Forrest and I am looking forward to continued
> conversations with them both. I also spoke with Michel Bauwens from the P2P
> Foundation, which will be coming out on Monday, and had a great
> conversation with Layman Pascal on UTOK’s frame for psychopathology, which
> will be released soon.
>
>
>
> I also hooked up with Jordan Hall, here:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D4oqxuac-5FzXY&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=oBu79hgxEYW1nYewbqERDx485KRNuwCF7gDUgCGQgZQ&e=
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>
>
>
> We covered a ton of ground, characterizing the above collection the “Rebel
> Alliance” in relationship to the techno-trans-humanist
> Facebook/Musk/Kurzweil metaverse-tech. We need a metapsych-tech that
> grounds us in the world rather than turning everyone/thing into digital AI.
> We frame our current cultural/metamodern sensibility as a “coherent
> integrated pluralism” as opposed to the chaotic fragmented pluralism of the
> modern-postmodern confusion.
>
>
>
> I also hooked up with Paul Vanderklay, here:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DRa2NpY5EZUE-26t-3D18s&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=nEBKnzKnBNXIaaVD9C7S3XJ-p9syMCpHlqBSBgUbivY&s=vQNGJi3_zA553BJJ-RrQPRkUewEG8bSOpZMhbTdBiWs&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DRa2NpY5EZUE-26amp-3Bt-3D18s&d=DwQFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=M6TEQX49yXejutDsd4cQYiHzQ_6YmiKyyDDOTZ_MeSc&m=CmzOy76JXgC0CEuGeChFTSjEFPDRhYkH_Mk5YSzJByo&s=lBcCz3Jb6Oic7jnSjiDOWwFFXWwEeqrzRDXbfj7sbUQ&e=>
>
> Titled “A Scientifically Informed Religion After New-Atheism” it follows
> up on Paul’s conversation with John Vervaeke on the difference and relation
> between nontheism, classical theism, and common theism.
>
>
>
> My felt sense here is that there is a hopeful, realistic vision of an
> emerging sensibility that allows us to resolve the Enlightenment Gap and
> obtain the proper relations between mind and matter and move from the
> modern-postmodern chaotic fragmented muddle in coherent integrated
> pluralistic vision that affords the widespread cultivation of wisdom energy.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Gregg
>
> ___________________________________________
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