Hi Lene and Cory:
Good insights. Language is always a crucial factor. Semantics, synonyms, etc. can make or break the meaning of the written and oral. I can see "person" and "culture" being somewhat interchangeable if not synonymous. I doubt we will ever get to the Early Wittgenstein's point of a simple language on which all agree. The Later Wittgenstein found that out, finally. So, yes, each culture is like all others, like some others, like no other. However, "culture" can be the group of 2 million or 200 million persons. Thus, a difference seems to exist between person and culture.
Michael M. K.
On Monday, May 24, 2021, 7:05:25 PM CDT, Cory David Barker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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@ Gregg:
Would it be correct to approximate as follows:
Animal-mental = Bio-psychologicalCultural person = socio-psychologicaliQuad = The mein of a person and personal experiences
@ Michael K
I wonder if your notion would be a cross section across each of these to further diversify them. For example, all cultures share recurring properties as they evolve, some cultures are like some and not others, while they each can have traits entirely unique to themselves.
A lot of ways to slice up the pie. I suppose it is more important the whole pie is being included in the division more than how we slice it, although some ways to slice a pie are surely more elegant than others :)
@ Lene
Yeah it's a puzzle how to use language to satisfy everyone. Use any set of terms, one group will commend it and another group will trash it. My sense is that if all stake-holder groups can’t get on the same page about the underpinning causes of the language issue with sex and gender, then even a language agreed by everyone is gunna eventually have the same problems down the road. I think same page means everyone having some cognizance of the developmental trajectory and where people are on it in how they make sense of language, going back to what I was saying regarding meta-systematic.
Also, a little late, but I really valued your and Gregg’s post on levels of thinking applied to coronavirus.
C.
On May 24, 2021, at 5:18 PM, michael kazanjian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Your four sentence paragraph to Cory is akin to anthropology's (Kuckhohn and Murray) notion that each person is like everyone, like some people, like no one and thus unique.
I concur.
Best,
Michael K. (to differentiate myself from the other Mike)
On Monday, May 24, 2021, 4:25:13 PM CDT, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Cory,
Thanks for this note.
Part of the reason it is so hard to include “the psyche” is because it is confounded and conflated across three broad domains. First, there is the “Mind” which refers to the “dimension of animal-mental behavior” then there is the Person aspect of human mental behavior in the context of Culture (i.e., the science of human behavior at the individual and small group level) and then there is the iQuad Coin, which refers to the unique individual subject from their perspective (as opposed to the other two, which are scientific vantage points).
I am convinced that people flip back and forth between these various meanings and the result is massive confusion and conflation about the referent point for “psyche-ology”
Best,
Gregg
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@ Gregg
I started my email to frame as bio-psycho-social, but the psycho part caused my email to get to be too long from describing too many psychological orientation permutations, so I removed it and started over.
I wasn’t aware of your article. I saw your matrix before but didn’t consider it applied in this context. Yes we largely agree. I like your matrix, it compressing a lot.
Cory
On May 23, 2021, at 6:48 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thanks for your reflections, Cory. I am in large agreement.
One thing I would like to comment on and add regarding this issue is that we can use the ToK map of reality and science to show that just thinking in terms of “biological” and “social” sides of the equation is insufficient. The reason is that it overlooks mental evolution and the behavioral inclinations we have as primates. This is the psychological or mental behavioral level of analysis.
This comes into high relief when we look at the masculine and feminine primate relational styles through lens of the Influence Matrix, as I point out in this blog:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201907_simple-2Dway-2Dunderstand-2Dthe-2Dorigin-2Dgender-2Droles&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=TTfm_dNvc5d6dHneodoOuafbY-NMGBw-RsXewWdTVuA&s=AM3Zyj3s4645yBGfuWba7QYxKlqyxJB1jSJjQaH7US0&e=
It also speaks to Mike’s well argued points.
Best,
Gregg
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Hi all,
See the below article and paper. I just remembered this from way back, and the article was still available online (to my surprise). This sort of neuroscience explains a lot.
Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex >>>
Savic, I., & Lindström, P. (2008). PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo-and heterosexual subjects. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 105(27), 9403-9408.
C.
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