Hello Alexander, et. al.,
I agree that the term "free will" is clumsy, as John Locke suggested in the 17th century.
Philosophy, not being a science, allows such inaccuracies of terms, despite the unnecessary misunderstanding it causes.
I think that those two words together have come to mean something other than what each might mean in other contexts; free will is the act of an agent authoring a choice autonomously. So also, it’s not so much a matter of something to have, but rather a matter of doing.
I agree, as you stated, that just “choice” alone is a better term, as there is no real choosing if one is determined or coerced; freedom of choice is redundant.
Regards,
Peter
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> On May 17, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Alexander Bard <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dear Gregg & Co
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> But why even discuss free will when this concerns freedom of choice.
> Or rather just choice per se.
> A will wills whatever it wills. It is neither free nor determined. The combo of will and freedom seems merely a remnant of Abrahamic religion and its eagerness to hold believers accountable for their intentions.
> As in good will versus evil will. But there is no such thing. A will is beyond good and evil. It wills whatever it wills.
> We should discuss a will's freedom to choose. Not its own freedom. There is apparently no such thing. A will will always try to get whatever it wants. At all times. The question is if it has that choice or not.
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> Best
> Alexander
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> Den fre 17 maj 2019 kl 22:03 skrev Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
> Hi TOK List,
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> Thought you might be interested in seeing this article on Free Will. Minus a few technical points, this is consistent with a ToK version of reality:
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> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nautil.us_issue_72_quandary_yes-2Ddeterminists-2Dthere-2Dis-2Dfree-2Dwill&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=e24HUO_sncpikXBb4acCMeOlLnEeQOqeY5i9uaI2B1w&s=r-tYaHTBZj-Q0KpoeVxfFwpR2e6R_XIgXYRiJzi_GMw&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nautil.us_issue_72_quandary_yes-2Ddeterminists-2Dthere-2Dis-2Dfree-2Dwill&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=G1XkHpKhGuXrWRmIGwwGi7rOIn2dxfTPssg91x8Zz_Y&s=wXqMgwevkPxlORiKI1vvCF9DERz8JipCn1NW4csh7t4&e=>
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> The key is that there are different dimensions of existence (Matter, Life, Mind, and Culture) and different causal processes that operate at those different dimensions. Human persons are self-conscious entities that learn to justify and take responsibility for their actions on the social stage. This is a causal matrix, obvious at the present moment, as I am justifying to you that reading the article is worth the time. As a self-reflective entity, you will decide accordingly.
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> As the article notes, atoms do not operate (i.e., are not the appropriate causal nexus) at this dimension of complexity.
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> Best,
> Gregg
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