>> We understand that you can push a robot off the bridge in order to raise
the flags. We are wondering if you can flip the robot off the bridge since
collision isn’t an issue this year. Or do we have to force them off by
pushing or find another way to stay on the bridge?

  I'm not sure that I fully understand this question.  If the question is
"are there limits on how our Robot can collide with the other team's Robot
while we are both trying to get points for the Flags?" then, no, your Robot
may do any otherwise allowable action, as long as it is clear that any
collision is due to your Robot trying to raise one or more Bridge Flags.

  The Mission does not say anything like "you may only push the other Robot
back the way it came from" or specify what types of collisions are
allowable, other than to indicate that allowable collisions are due to
trying to earn Flag points.

  Update RG12 makes it fairly clear that any allowable collision will be
Robot on Robot.  There's no apparent reason why your Robot would be
bringing some separate piece of team Equipment with it as part of trying to
score Flag points, so a Robot-Equipment collision would probably be
Interference.

Steve Scherr
Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 2:37 PM Jerry Original <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> We understand that you can push a robot off the bridge in order to raise
> the flags. We are wondering if you can flip the robot off the bridge since
> collision isn’t an issue this year. Or do we have to force them off by
> pushing or find another way to stay on the bridge?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 12:29 PM, VA-DC FLL Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Rule 35 says: "Only the final (end-of-Match) condition of your Field is
> evaluated for scoring."
>
> >>   Does that mean that the flags have to still be raised at the end of
> the match?
>   Yes, the Flags must be raised at the end of the match to get flag points
> for Mission 1.  And the Robot must be Supported by the Bridge at the end of
> the match to get Bridge points or Flag points from Mission 1.
>
>   There is NO REQUIREMENT in the Rules or the Missions that says where the
> Robot must be the moment that the match ends, but to get points for Mission
> 1, there is definitely a location that the Team should plan for.
>
> >>  can the robot go up the bridge, raise the flags by stopping the robot
> on the levers, and then come back down the bridge, thereby releasing the
> flags to fall back down, to go on to other missions or Home?
> Generally speaking, the team can have the Robot go anywhere on the Field
> at any time, and do any Mission or part of a Mission, in any order that the
> Team thinks will work.  The Robot may move something into a scoring
> position and then mess it up later.  All that counts is the condition of
> the Field at the moment that the Match ends.
>
>  >>  Regarding Home, must the robot return to Home by the end of the 2.5
> minutes, or can it stop somewhere on the field?
> There is persistent "folklore" about requiring the Robot to return
> somewhere before the end of the match.  I've been a referee for 15 years,
> and in that time there has never been a requirement for the Robot to end up
> where it started.  Where does this "folklore" come from?  There have been
> several missions through the years for which the Robot needs to be
> somewhere specific to satisfy a scoring condition.  Or, maybe some teams
> think that it's more elegant to the Robot to return to the Technicians at
> the end, and some people thought it was a requirement.  There is no ending
> location written in the Rules, so there isn't any ending location
> required.  Ending location does not affect scoring for any Mission, except
> those Missions that explicitly require the Robot to be somewhere to earn
> points.
>
> Steve Scherr
> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
> >> I have seen some discussions that talk about making it back to Home by
> the end, but I haven't seen where it says that is required in the rules.
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:36 AM Jennifer Lord <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone for all the helpful questions and answers to date.  On
>> the subject of Elevated Places, I noticed in the rules it states, "Only the
>> final (end-of-Match) condition of your Field is evaluated for scoring."
>> Question 1:  Does that mean that the flags have to still be raised at the
>> end of the match?  Or can the robot go up the bridge, raise the flags by
>> stopping the robot on the levers, and then come back down the bridge,
>> thereby releasing the flags to fall back down, to go on to other missions
>> or Home?
>>
>> Question 2:  Regarding Home, must the robot return to Home by the end of
>> the 2.5 minutes, or can it stop somewhere on the field?  I have seen some
>> discussions that talk about making it back to Home by the end, but I
>> haven't seen where it says that is required in the rules.
>>
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